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Charles V of Spain Secret Code Cracked
- capableweb 4y agoOriginal/source article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/emperor-charles-vs-secret-code-cracked-after-five-centuries https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/emperor-charle...
- airstrike 4y agoThe current link is blogspam for the original article by The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/emperor-charles-vs-secret-code-cracked-after-five-centuries https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/24/emperor-charle...
- tomschwiha 4y agoIs it actually spam? More looks like a manually curated quote / link.
- criddell 4y agoHow can they write all that but then not include a translation of the letter?
- gsk22 4y agoThe BBC has an article that explains: > The team has not yet issued a full translation, which they are saving for an academic paper. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63757443 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63757443
- dmix 4y agoI found the summary useful. I read the whole Guardian article and Bruce highlighted the really interesting part. The only other question was: what's in the letter? The answer is pretty boring, just a standard communique between two leaders during a conflict and talk about a previously unknown murder plot (which was just a rumour). The meat is the cipher.
- Tainnor 4y agoI agree that posting the original link is probably more useful, but I find it very odd to call Bruce Schneier's blog "spam".
- capableweb 4y agoI don't think parent is calling the entire blog spam, there is definitely good, original content on the blog itself. But this particular article is what's called "blogspam": > A blog where the author paraphrases or copies from the original article/webpage in an attempt to increase his or her own traffic. This becomes a waste of the reader's time forcing them to click through the blog to get to the actual article. Often submitted to sites like Digg or Reddit. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=blogspam%20author%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- Tainnor 4y agoThe relevant part is "to incrase his or her own traffic". Bruce Schneier is one of the most famous cryptography researchers. I doubt he needs more traffic. Intent matters, and when he reposts and summarises a Guardian article, this is probably done for the benefit of readers who already follow his blog.
- airstrike 4y agoIMHO not including the words "The Guardian" in his TL;DR is what makes it spammy
- adrianmonk 4y ago> is blogspam It is, and it isn't. Functionally, for the reader of Hacker News, it has the same form of and effect as blogspam. It's a blog entry, it doesn't add much, and it just links to the real content. But presumably it lacks the intent of blogspam. Bruce Schneier's blog has quality original content, and nobody is trying to game the system. Probably Schneier just wrote this blog entry to bring an interesting story to his readers' attention, and one of them posted it here.
- namkt 4y agoHe does that all the time where he posts a link and quotes one or two paragraphs. It's also meant for the fanbase to comment on the post.
- dang 4y agoPeople mean different things by "blogspam" but yes we should change the URL - this is in the site guidelines: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: changed now from https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/charles-v-of-spain-secret-code-cracked.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/charles-v-of-.... Thanks! (However, it's also a dupe - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33791685 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33791685)
- narag 4y agoFWIW, there has never been a Charles V of Spain. Article referes to Charles I of Spain and V of elsewhere. This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor Our last ruler of that name was Charles IV, we're still one Charles short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV_of_Spain_and_His_Family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV_of_Spain_and_His_Fa...
- herodotus 4y agoGood call. Thanks for pointing this out. The original article in The Guardian does not make the same mistake.
- namkt 4y agoHe was Charles I of Spain and V of Germany. Still good ol' Charles but different major version numbers; motherfucker inherited quite a bit of land. https://dbe.rah.es/biografias/10728/carlos-i-de-espana-y-v-de-alemania https://dbe.rah.es/biografias/10728/carlos-i-de-espana-y-v-d...
- chrisbaker98 4y agoThis is the same reason why some Scottish people object to the late Queen Elizabeth being called "the Second".
- dboreham 4y agoSome? Edit: it's just wrong is what people object to. She was the first Elizabeth of the country. Same thing for James VI (not James I which was a different dude). Seemingly the government agreed because mailboxes in Scotland don't have EIIR : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_Box_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillar_Box_War
- chrisbaker98 4y agoJames isn't a good example because he was and still is commonly referred to as "James VI and I". I learnt that in primary school. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I Likewise for his son, James VII and II. AFAIK Elizabeth is the only post-Union monarch who took an "England only" regnal number that didn't gel with Scottish history.
- Ruq 4y ago5 Centuries is a long time for a cipher to be un-cracked. One could say it did a better job than modern ciphers!
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- sandebert 4y agoPosted to HN four days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33735690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33735690
- dang 4y agoEmperor Charles V's code cracked after five centuries - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33739437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33739437 - Nov 2022 (30 comments) Emperor Charles V's code cracked after five centuries - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33735690 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33735690 - Nov 2022 (1 comment) Emperor Charles V's code cracked after five centuries - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33732392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33732392 - Nov 2022 (2 comments)