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> I like how you like to make up random numbers with no data to sound very scientific :) Says the person whose answer is "I don't know". I told you why knowin

> I like how you like to make up random numbers with no data to sound very scientific :) Says the person whose answer is "I don't know". I told you why knowing the percentage of people affected is important. You just dismiss it. > Apple has sold millions of scuba diving apple watches to active scuba divers??? No. Apple has sold millions of devices. Which is important when discussing failure rates. > The thing is that I base my opinions on data, and at the moment there is no existing data. No. You base your opinion on "I don't know, all of them, only rich people will use Ultra so issues will not in the same numbers". That's no data. That's pure speculation. You don't even have failure stats for dive computers, do you? Even given that each particular model of a dive computer is used by potentially as many people as those "only rich people who will use watch ultra". But sure, "dive computers are used in an activity that can kill you", and the internet is littered with "What happens if your dive computer fails" articles. Dive computer manufacturers explicitly call this put in their manuals [1] And there are literally no standards for verification of dive computers, manufacturers routinely lie about their certifications or skip them [2] And yet. "I wouldn't trust Apple unlike these manufacturers that have sold millions of devices because data!" [1] E.g. Suunto: https://ns.suunto.com/Manuals/D6i/Userguides/Suunto_D6i_UserGuide_EN.pdf https://ns.suunto.com/Manuals/D6i/Userguides/Suunto_D6i_User... page 4 [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295967776_Dive_computers_the_need_for_validation_and_standards https://www.researchgate.net/publication/295967776_Dive_comp...

bombolo 4y ago
> Says the person whose answer is "I don't know". Better than the person who pretends to know :) > I told you why knowing the percentage of people affected is important. It's important… But I have no way of obtaining this information. > No. Apple has sold millions of devices. Which is important when discussing failure rates. :D We are talking about scuba diving specifically. I'm sure apple watches tell the time absolutely fine. What we are discussing here is their reliability under water while tracking the dives. Can you stop pretending being daft for a minute and admit there are comparatively very very few units that are used for this purpose? > You base your opinion on "I don't know, all of them, only rich people will use Ultra so issues will not in the same numbers". That's no data. That's pure speculation. I base my opinion on being a diver and having held in my hands dive computers and watches. And an apple watch isn't so good in a dive. It's tiny, you won't even see the numbers if your mask is a bit foggy or the water isn't so clear. It's also harder to use. Do you know how a dive computer works? You put it on and jump in the water. When it touches water it turns on. You don't need to open the correct app and whatnot. > And yet. "I wouldn't trust Apple unlike these manufacturers that have sold millions of devices because data!" I wouldn't trust apple because my macbook fell apart, and so I understand that a flimsy watch won't be as sturdy as a sturdy dive computer. Anyway, please come back to me after trying scuba diving at least once.

bombolo 4y ago

> Says the person whose answer is "I don't know". Better than the person who pretends to know :) > I told you why knowing the percentage of people affected is important. It's important… But I have no way of obtaining this information. > No. Apple has sold millions of devices. Which is important when discussing failure rates. :D We are talking about scuba diving specifically. I'm sure apple watches tell the time absolutely fine. What we are discussing here is their reliability under water while tracking the dives. Can you stop pretending being daft for a minute and admit there are comparatively very very few units that are used for this purpose? > You base your opinion on "I don't know, all of them, only rich people will use Ultra so issues will not in the same numbers". That's no data. That's pure speculation. I base my opinion on being a diver and having held in my hands dive computers and watches. And an apple watch isn't so good in a dive. It's tiny, you won't even see the numbers if your mask is a bit foggy or the water isn't so clear. It's also harder to use. Do you know how a dive computer works? You put it on and jump in the water. When it touches water it turns on. You don't need to open the correct app and whatnot. > And yet. "I wouldn't trust Apple unlike these manufacturers that have sold millions of devices because data!" I wouldn't trust apple because my macbook fell apart, and so I understand that a flimsy watch won't be as sturdy as a sturdy dive computer. Anyway, please come back to me after trying scuba diving at least once.