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I've spent the last year exploring different languages and ecosystems than the one I'm most comfortable in (Python) and what you said absolutely rings true. Whe

by sylens 4y ago

I've spent the last year exploring different languages and ecosystems than the one I'm most comfortable in (Python) and what you said absolutely rings true. When you're picking up C#/.NET, there's this almost overwhelming amount of terminology you see getting tossed around that takes you a while to see how it all fits together. Now that I'm exploring Go, I'm surprised at how many books/learning materials are basically surveys of the features of the language, and then it's basically - "Start building!" "Introducing Go" is just 100 pages for example.

osigurdson 4y ago
The number of times that the asp.net "startup" has changed is completely ridiculous. It all started from a very bad place with a startup class that is stupidly called by reflection, forcing the developer to use trial and error to discover what methods should be used. Thankfully, they have finally done away with this but it is sad that they ever allowed these horrible patterns in the first place. Another abysmal area is SignalR (clearly developed by children).
- GiorgioG 4y ago
  Everyone makes mistakes, even framework/compiler teams. I mean look at how long it took Go to get generics. Huge mistake IMO. I still dislike what ASP.NET did with their startup, and I don't think it's improved much. The minimal startup is just a bunch of magic (where did the var 'args' come from? Just magic.) Framework folks are people, they try new things, it doesn't always stick.
  - osigurdson 4y ago
    I don’t enjoy being critical, but sometimes it is justified. When you have something used by millions of people, it should be more carefully vetted.
  - metaltyphoon 4y ago
    That feels a lot of ‘old man telling skies’. What is main(), where did it come from? Who calls it? What is argc and argv? Who puts that stuff there.
    - GiorgioG 4y ago
      main() is a well established entry point in computer science. It’s the first thing one learns when learning to program. Nowhere else in C# are there “ambient” variables. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entry_point https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entry_point

by sylens 4y ago

osigurdson 4y ago

The number of times that the asp.net "startup" has changed is completely ridiculous. It all started from a very bad place with a startup class that is stupidly called by reflection, forcing the developer to use trial and error to discover what methods should be used. Thankfully, they have finally done away with this but it is sad that they ever allowed these horrible patterns in the first place. Another abysmal area is SignalR (clearly developed by children).

GiorgioG 4y ago
Everyone makes mistakes, even framework/compiler teams. I mean look at how long it took Go to get generics. Huge mistake IMO. I still dislike what ASP.NET did with their startup, and I don't think it's improved much. The minimal startup is just a bunch of magic (where did the var 'args' come from? Just magic.) Framework folks are people, they try new things, it doesn't always stick.
- osigurdson 4y ago
  I don’t enjoy being critical, but sometimes it is justified. When you have something used by millions of people, it should be more carefully vetted.
- metaltyphoon 4y ago
  That feels a lot of ‘old man telling skies’. What is main(), where did it come from? Who calls it? What is argc and argv? Who puts that stuff there.
  - GiorgioG 4y ago
    main() is a well established entry point in computer science. It’s the first thing one learns when learning to program. Nowhere else in C# are there “ambient” variables. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entry_point https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entry_point