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> Remember people, you have to be vaccinated and boosted to prevent the spread of the virus even though being vaccinated or boosted does not actually prevent th

> Remember people, you have to be vaccinated and boosted to prevent the spread of the virus even though being vaccinated or boosted does not actually prevent the spread of the virus. I would say it does prevent some the spread of the virus, but does not completely prevent spread, and any one claiming that it did prevent all spread, should be removed from any position of authority.

enkid 4y ago
Who actually claimed that? I can't remember a single person saying the vaccine prevented 100% of transmission.
- sfusato 4y ago
  Here's from Australia: https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/yes-they-claimed-the-vaccines-would-prevent-transmission/news-story/a176eb002c29e603fc29ef9fe0b33b18 https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/yes-th... Let me know the country you're interested in and I'll dig it up for you.
- dekken_ 4y ago
  Joe Biden and Rachel Maddow To name just a few.
  - koolba 4y ago
    Don’t forget Fauci.
    - moistly 4y ago
      You were plainly corrected an hour before you reposted this falsehood. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33786969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33786969 > Fauci's more detailed quote from your link: > “So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it” > And my understanding is that, in May of 2021, that was very much true and that studies did show that the vaccine greatly reduced transmissibility. With new variants, though, the original vaccines, while still being protective against severe disease, did a much worse job against preventing mild illness and transmission.
      - koolba 4y ago
        How is that plainly corrected? He said for the vaccinated the virus level makes it "extremely unlikely". Everybody knows that's completely false. It's anything but extremely unlikely with vaccinated people spreading the virus all around the globe, both symptomatic and asymptomatic.
        moistly 4y ago
        > in May of 2021, that was very much true and that studies did show that the vaccine greatly reduced transmissibility Why are you like this?
- Proven 4y ago
- h2odragon 4y ago
  Biden, for one: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-said-in-july-that-if-you-get-vaccinated-you-will-not-get-covid/ar-AART6wH https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-said-in-ju... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/22/joe-biden/biden-says-vaccinated-people-cant-spread-covid-19-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/22/joe-biden/...
  - enkid 4y ago
    Thank for finding an actual source. I appreciate it. But, having read your articles, perhaps you should realize the quote somes with more context, and it snot as straightforward as you say. The second article you link specifically calls it "half true," which means it's not a blatant lie. It's a statement that's accuracy has shifted with the emergence of new variants and social practices to reduce the spread. Considering the alternative is someone who suggested injecting bleach into people to stop the virus, I'd say Biden's statements aren't as bad as the Washington Examiner is making them out to be.
- refurb 4y ago
  The CDC Director, April 2021, said "“We’re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick, and that it’s not just in the clinical trials but it’s also in real world data.”"
  - fsh 4y ago
    Note that this statement predates the emergence of immune escape variants. The CDC director was right at the time.
    - jtc331 4y ago
      Even if that’s true (given how efficacy of the vaccines wanes rapidly I suspect the variants only hastened what would happen anyway), and it’s not obviously true given that Pfizer’s own clinical trials did not have transmission as a measurement or study endpoint, it’s still a huge problem for history to be so easily rewritten like “no one ever said this” when they clearly did say it.
      - fsh 4y ago
        The CDC director referred to their own epidemiological data which (at the time) showed a clear reduction in transmission due to the vaccination. Clinical trials are generally unsuitable for measuring transmission, since the rate of participants infecting each other is essentially zero even with huge sample sizes. Once again: The CDC director accurately reported what was known at the time.
        refurb 4y ago
        What data exactly? She says “clinical trials” which is false. The only trial that measured infection rate was AZ. And it reduced but did not eliminate the risk. The statement is 100% false and she had no data to back it up.
        fsh 4y ago
- jtc331 4y ago
  Unless it prevents enough transmission to create herd immunity then any transmission prevention it accomplishes is effectively worthless unless the hospital system is overwhelmed and we need to slow down spread. This because slowing down spread but not actually bringing it to zero (not necessarily directly, but through herd immunity) still means everyone will be repeatedly exposed and anyone susceptible will eventually contract the virus anyway. We need an endgame that makes sense.
- jtc331 4y ago
  It’s very popular on here to claim no one said it would prevent transmission, but given the CDC director among others said so in national news reporting (and this is trivially documented) it’s hard not to see this as selective memory (or just acceptance of the current claim as equivalent to history “We’ve always been at war with East Asia”).
  - mizzack 4y ago
    Gaslighting is the 2022 Merriam-Webster word of the year.
koolba 4y ago
> … any one claiming that it did prevent all spread, should be removed from any position of authority. As of when? It’s probably too late to fire Fauci as he’s already retiring, but his exact words were that vaccinations makes one a “dead end for the coronavirus” in May of 2021: https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/ https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-... I’m sure we can find references later than that as well.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  Fauci's more detailed quote from your link: > So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it And my understanding is that, in May of 2021, that was very much true and that studies did show that the vaccine greatly reduced transmissibility. With new variants, though, the original vaccines, while still being protective against severe disease, did a much worse job against preventing mild illness and transmission.
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enkid 4y ago

Who actually claimed that? I can't remember a single person saying the vaccine prevented 100% of transmission.

sfusato 4y ago
Here's from Australia: https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/yes-they-claimed-the-vaccines-would-prevent-transmission/news-story/a176eb002c29e603fc29ef9fe0b33b18 https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/yes-th... Let me know the country you're interested in and I'll dig it up for you.
dekken_ 4y ago
Joe Biden and Rachel Maddow To name just a few.
- koolba 4y ago
  Don’t forget Fauci.
  - moistly 4y ago
    You were plainly corrected an hour before you reposted this falsehood. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33786969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33786969 > Fauci's more detailed quote from your link: > “So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it” > And my understanding is that, in May of 2021, that was very much true and that studies did show that the vaccine greatly reduced transmissibility. With new variants, though, the original vaccines, while still being protective against severe disease, did a much worse job against preventing mild illness and transmission.
    - koolba 4y ago
      How is that plainly corrected? He said for the vaccinated the virus level makes it "extremely unlikely". Everybody knows that's completely false. It's anything but extremely unlikely with vaccinated people spreading the virus all around the globe, both symptomatic and asymptomatic.
      - moistly 4y ago
        > in May of 2021, that was very much true and that studies did show that the vaccine greatly reduced transmissibility Why are you like this?
Proven 4y ago
h2odragon 4y ago
Biden, for one: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-said-in-july-that-if-you-get-vaccinated-you-will-not-get-covid/ar-AART6wH https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-said-in-ju... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/22/joe-biden/biden-says-vaccinated-people-cant-spread-covid-19-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/22/joe-biden/...
- enkid 4y ago
  Thank for finding an actual source. I appreciate it. But, having read your articles, perhaps you should realize the quote somes with more context, and it snot as straightforward as you say. The second article you link specifically calls it "half true," which means it's not a blatant lie. It's a statement that's accuracy has shifted with the emergence of new variants and social practices to reduce the spread. Considering the alternative is someone who suggested injecting bleach into people to stop the virus, I'd say Biden's statements aren't as bad as the Washington Examiner is making them out to be.
refurb 4y ago
The CDC Director, April 2021, said "“We’re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick, and that it’s not just in the clinical trials but it’s also in real world data.”"
- fsh 4y ago
  Note that this statement predates the emergence of immune escape variants. The CDC director was right at the time.
  - jtc331 4y ago
    Even if that’s true (given how efficacy of the vaccines wanes rapidly I suspect the variants only hastened what would happen anyway), and it’s not obviously true given that Pfizer’s own clinical trials did not have transmission as a measurement or study endpoint, it’s still a huge problem for history to be so easily rewritten like “no one ever said this” when they clearly did say it.
    - fsh 4y ago
      The CDC director referred to their own epidemiological data which (at the time) showed a clear reduction in transmission due to the vaccination. Clinical trials are generally unsuitable for measuring transmission, since the rate of participants infecting each other is essentially zero even with huge sample sizes. Once again: The CDC director accurately reported what was known at the time.
      - refurb 4y ago
        What data exactly? She says “clinical trials” which is false. The only trial that measured infection rate was AZ. And it reduced but did not eliminate the risk. The statement is 100% false and she had no data to back it up.
        fsh 4y ago
jtc331 4y ago
Unless it prevents enough transmission to create herd immunity then any transmission prevention it accomplishes is effectively worthless unless the hospital system is overwhelmed and we need to slow down spread. This because slowing down spread but not actually bringing it to zero (not necessarily directly, but through herd immunity) still means everyone will be repeatedly exposed and anyone susceptible will eventually contract the virus anyway. We need an endgame that makes sense.
jtc331 4y ago
It’s very popular on here to claim no one said it would prevent transmission, but given the CDC director among others said so in national news reporting (and this is trivially documented) it’s hard not to see this as selective memory (or just acceptance of the current claim as equivalent to history “We’ve always been at war with East Asia”).
- mizzack 4y ago
  Gaslighting is the 2022 Merriam-Webster word of the year.

koolba 4y ago

> … any one claiming that it did prevent all spread, should be removed from any position of authority. As of when? It’s probably too late to fire Fauci as he’s already retiring, but his exact words were that vaccinations makes one a “dead end for the coronavirus” in May of 2021: https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/ https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-... I’m sure we can find references later than that as well.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
Fauci's more detailed quote from your link: > So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it And my understanding is that, in May of 2021, that was very much true and that studies did show that the vaccine greatly reduced transmissibility. With new variants, though, the original vaccines, while still being protective against severe disease, did a much worse job against preventing mild illness and transmission.

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