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If someone calls me an idiot in public, my hurt feelings are my problem and how I respond to that is my problem. If I am not emotionally well equipped enough t

If someone calls me an idiot in public, my hurt feelings are my problem and how I respond to that is my problem. If I am not emotionally well equipped enough to say "I don't care what that person thinks" then that's also my problem. Really, if someone calls me an idiot that statement says more about them than me. Now if someone says i'm a murderer without evidence, that's another matter altogether. But I may, in fact, be an idiot.

Beldin 4y ago
> If someone calls me an idiot in public, my hurt feelings are my problem Yeah no. People are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Being abusive to others does not liberate you from that. Sure, there are nuances (you're not necessarily solely responsible for consequences), but these nuance the stance, not remove your responsibility.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  I didn't say they were _only_ my problem, but they are my problem. How I resolve those hurt feelings is a choice for me.
luckylion 4y ago
But with publicity, it's not really just your feelings, it's about everybody else's feelings, because it might change how they think about and act towards you. Claims that you're a murderer also only really matter when made publicly. I think it's the same for lots of things. People get "offended" not so much because some opinion offends them, but because they don't want it to spread or be normalized. Like nipples on TV offending some demographic, even though they could just close their eyes. It's other people seeing the nipples that they don't like.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  Well all those people need to grow up. This attitude that "I feel offended" therefore what I'm offended by must be stopped because it _must_ be offensive to everyone because I _must_ be representative of everyone because I'm a prototype of good taste and humanity. Free the nipple, don't free the nipple, I'll concentrate on surrounding myself with nipple liberationists and we can share our nipples not caring about the rest of those narrow minded nipple prudes.
dale_glass 4y ago
I'm not convinced humanity is equipped to deal with what social media is capable of unleashing. Yeah, most people can take being told they're an idiot by a person or a few. Social media on the other hand allows some coincidence or celebrity to make you basically front page news, and get you called an idiot by hundreds of thousands of people. I think very few people are equipped to deal with something like that.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  And society shouldn't be deprived the coordination that free speech allows because people can't handle that. The core problem is critical thinking and emotional literacy education at large, not a need to curtail free speech to avoid offense.
7952 4y ago
Calling someone an idiot would very rarely be considered "grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character;". Some words or actions are menacing, for example if someone said they wanted to rape your child. And some behaviour is inextricably linked with violence such as racism. Obviously there is nuance and context here, and the police don't always get it right. But threatening language absolutely does exist. Sometimes I think we need to be more explicit about what that context actually is and social networks tend to have a wide audience with different expectations.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  I'm sure it does, but i'd rather 100 idiots said they wanted to rape my child than one person's offensive but valid speech gets censored. I will note that I don't think freedom of speech extends to the anonymous. If you say you want to rape my child, you best put your name to it. If your name is by your speech, then say it and own your vile. -- yours, sirsinsalot, anon internet commenter.
- DoItToMe81 4y ago
  In the UK, it not only can be, it is. If you look, you'll find a case of it, eventually, because the UK brings in almost 200 people a month over internet charges that are considered mildly offensive but legal and benign in the rest of Europe. Two of the most serious cases I can think of this, is hate speech arrests of teenagers for sharing rap lyrics with 'nigga' in them, and the slew of "harmful speech" arrests over criticizing the crown around the queen's funeral.

Beldin 4y ago

> If someone calls me an idiot in public, my hurt feelings are my problem Yeah no. People are responsible for the consequences of their actions. Being abusive to others does not liberate you from that. Sure, there are nuances (you're not necessarily solely responsible for consequences), but these nuance the stance, not remove your responsibility.

sirsinsalot 4y ago
I didn't say they were _only_ my problem, but they are my problem. How I resolve those hurt feelings is a choice for me.

luckylion 4y ago

But with publicity, it's not really just your feelings, it's about everybody else's feelings, because it might change how they think about and act towards you. Claims that you're a murderer also only really matter when made publicly. I think it's the same for lots of things. People get "offended" not so much because some opinion offends them, but because they don't want it to spread or be normalized. Like nipples on TV offending some demographic, even though they could just close their eyes. It's other people seeing the nipples that they don't like.

sirsinsalot 4y ago
Well all those people need to grow up. This attitude that "I feel offended" therefore what I'm offended by must be stopped because it _must_ be offensive to everyone because I _must_ be representative of everyone because I'm a prototype of good taste and humanity. Free the nipple, don't free the nipple, I'll concentrate on surrounding myself with nipple liberationists and we can share our nipples not caring about the rest of those narrow minded nipple prudes.

dale_glass 4y ago

I'm not convinced humanity is equipped to deal with what social media is capable of unleashing. Yeah, most people can take being told they're an idiot by a person or a few. Social media on the other hand allows some coincidence or celebrity to make you basically front page news, and get you called an idiot by hundreds of thousands of people. I think very few people are equipped to deal with something like that.

sirsinsalot 4y ago
And society shouldn't be deprived the coordination that free speech allows because people can't handle that. The core problem is critical thinking and emotional literacy education at large, not a need to curtail free speech to avoid offense.

7952 4y ago

Calling someone an idiot would very rarely be considered "grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character;". Some words or actions are menacing, for example if someone said they wanted to rape your child. And some behaviour is inextricably linked with violence such as racism. Obviously there is nuance and context here, and the police don't always get it right. But threatening language absolutely does exist. Sometimes I think we need to be more explicit about what that context actually is and social networks tend to have a wide audience with different expectations.

sirsinsalot 4y ago
I'm sure it does, but i'd rather 100 idiots said they wanted to rape my child than one person's offensive but valid speech gets censored. I will note that I don't think freedom of speech extends to the anonymous. If you say you want to rape my child, you best put your name to it. If your name is by your speech, then say it and own your vile. -- yours, sirsinsalot, anon internet commenter.
DoItToMe81 4y ago
In the UK, it not only can be, it is. If you look, you'll find a case of it, eventually, because the UK brings in almost 200 people a month over internet charges that are considered mildly offensive but legal and benign in the rest of Europe. Two of the most serious cases I can think of this, is hate speech arrests of teenagers for sharing rap lyrics with 'nigga' in them, and the slew of "harmful speech" arrests over criticizing the crown around the queen's funeral.