4 ms·

Not really, they're welcome to have in their ToS: "We will ban accounts for anything we don't like, at our discretion, at any time and for any reason without d

Not really, they're welcome to have in their ToS: "We will ban accounts for anything we don't like, at our discretion, at any time and for any reason without disclosure". Job done.

skissane 4y ago
Until some judge decides such a clause is legally void and must be disregarded, since otherwise it would turn the legislation into a dead letter
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  If we're dealing in the hypothetical then sure. But forcing businesses to disclose their policy in their ToS will prevent this false narrative of "free speech" used to whitewash a politicised and editorialised approach to business. Just tell people that your "platform" isn't really a platform, it's a mechanism of control outside the bounds of the law.
- Mindwipe 4y ago
  > Until some judge decides such a clause is legally void and must be disregarded, since otherwise it would turn the legislation into a dead letter It's not a judge's job to stop legislation turning into a dead letter if it's incompetently drafted, which this is. It's to reflect the laws and intersections of them as written. This bill is going to go down hard in judicial review, because the people writing it and the lobbyists arguing for it are cretins.
  - skissane 4y ago
    > It's not a judge's job to stop legislation turning into a dead letter if it's incompetently drafted, which this is. That really comes down to whether the judges given the decision want to save it or sink it. Even if the legislation is poorly drafted, if they want to save it, they’ll find a way to read it which saves Parliament’s intentions. If they want to sink it, they can exploit its poor drafting to render it toothless. I have no idea which path British judges will choose to go down. Unless you can claim some special insight into their thinking, I doubt you really do either.
_trampeltier 4y ago
It's already written in all ToS.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  Good. Then we all know where we stand with out digital overlords.
causality0 4y ago
Yeah, but that's how they're acting already. Forcing them to admit it openly might cause people to not use the platform, which in turn might make them adopt and enforce reasonable rules.

Not really, they're welcome to have in their ToS: "We will ban accounts for anything we don't like, at our discretion, at any time and for any reason without disclosure". Job done.

skissane 4y ago

Until some judge decides such a clause is legally void and must be disregarded, since otherwise it would turn the legislation into a dead letter

sirsinsalot 4y ago
If we're dealing in the hypothetical then sure. But forcing businesses to disclose their policy in their ToS will prevent this false narrative of "free speech" used to whitewash a politicised and editorialised approach to business. Just tell people that your "platform" isn't really a platform, it's a mechanism of control outside the bounds of the law.
Mindwipe 4y ago
> Until some judge decides such a clause is legally void and must be disregarded, since otherwise it would turn the legislation into a dead letter It's not a judge's job to stop legislation turning into a dead letter if it's incompetently drafted, which this is. It's to reflect the laws and intersections of them as written. This bill is going to go down hard in judicial review, because the people writing it and the lobbyists arguing for it are cretins.
- skissane 4y ago
  > It's not a judge's job to stop legislation turning into a dead letter if it's incompetently drafted, which this is. That really comes down to whether the judges given the decision want to save it or sink it. Even if the legislation is poorly drafted, if they want to save it, they’ll find a way to read it which saves Parliament’s intentions. If they want to sink it, they can exploit its poor drafting to render it toothless. I have no idea which path British judges will choose to go down. Unless you can claim some special insight into their thinking, I doubt you really do either.

_trampeltier 4y ago

It's already written in all ToS.

sirsinsalot 4y ago
Good. Then we all know where we stand with out digital overlords.

causality0 4y ago

Yeah, but that's how they're acting already. Forcing them to admit it openly might cause people to not use the platform, which in turn might make them adopt and enforce reasonable rules.