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The whole bill is a clusterF**. Some potentially useful bits of regulation of Big Tech thrown together with some dangerously authoritarian attempts at criminali

by spzb 4y ago

The whole bill is a clusterF**. Some potentially useful bits of regulation of Big Tech thrown together with some dangerously authoritarian attempts at criminalising encryption. Bits of the bill keep getting taken out, put back in and then taken out, sent in, sent out before being recycled as firelighters, depending on which way the political wind is blowing on any given day.

kneebonian 4y ago
You put your authoritarian measure in, you take your regulation clause out, you put special intrests and you shake your constituents about. You do the government pokey and you spin the media around. That's what it's all about. You put your pay raise in, you take your public good will out, you put your pork in and you shake the public about. You do the government pokey and you spin the lies around. That's what it's all about.
- escapologybb 4y ago
  Thank you, that is now going round in my head on a continuous loop! I pretty much completely agree with the content of what you said as well.
  - EarlKing 4y ago
    It could be worse. You could be imagining Peter Jurasik as Londo Mollari singing this in a continuous loop.
    - gekokujo 4y ago
      This image made my day!
    - slowmovintarget 4y ago
      As the Minbari teacher said; I rather enjoyed that.
    - fotbr 4y ago
      That's not worse, that's an outstanding mental image.
    - rhdunn 4y ago
      It doesn't make sense! I'd rather be nibbled to death by cats!
- scifibestfi 4y ago
  How do we get off this ride?
  - lazide 4y ago
    The temptation of course is to elect a ‘strong good man’ (or woman, but historically it’s men) to untangle it. They’ll of course need lots of power to do it. Also, they’ll of course have lots of detractors (whiners all of them!) when they start to untangle things and step on toes, so the temptation is of course to shut them up or get them out of the way. And voila, fascism and/or outright dictatorship. Or, you know, we could research what our elected representatives actually do and accomplish instead of what they say they do and accomplish, and vote for those who effectively and reliably do what is in our best interests. That is, unfortunately, much harder.
    - thatguy0900 4y ago
      Benevolent dictatorships do seem by far the best system of government. Until his kid takes over and turns out to not be quite so benevolent, at least.
      - lazide 4y ago
        Or they get corrupt/powermad. Or you happen to be in a group singled out as ‘the bad guys’ when people start getting tired of the dictator or their methods, etc. It’s extremely rare to have a true Cincinnatus, but pretty common to have someone who says they are. Until they get in the seat, anyway.
    - treeman79 4y ago
      It’s very simple. does a politician push for smaller and more restrictions on government. Or do they push for bigger government.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      > those who effectively and reliably do what is in our best interests. That there is the "and then come the Martians" part.
- shuntress 4y ago
  If self governance was easy, someone would have figured it out by now.
  - fredgrott 4y ago
    if is in fact easy... it's called media and tech monopolies!
  - thatguy0900 4y ago
    If only the bigger governments hadn't historically just taken over the smaller governments we might live in a very different world
  - treeman79 4y ago
    The US constitution was written specifically to limit the power of government. Basically giving the government the absolute minimum amount of power to be functional. With crazy restrictions on making changes so that it’s hard for the government to grab more power. An armed population helps keep the government from going too crazy like what China is doing to people over Covid. Hard to weld doors shut on peoples homes if they have shotguns.
    - scohesc 4y ago
      It is truly interesting seeing in Canada how they're slowly removing gun rights away from their citizens - while also pushing bills like C-11 that allow governments to influence what social media companies can show to Canadians' eyeballs. They've recently said they're not going to ban hunting rifles, but 5 days ago the SKS is now part of the list of banned guns in Bill C-21, one of the more popular hunting rifles - due to generic bill wording of "center-fire, semi-automatic guns capable of firing more than 5 rounds in a magazine" Even better, the original (at least, publicly known) intent of the gun ban was to limit ownership of handguns. Bill C-11 is promoted under the guise of "promoting Canadian content" but of course it's going to be mis-used and abused to control information and the narrative on both domestic and foreign events - if they have the power then they're going to use it for what they want to. A Liberal MP actually stated that they could use the bill to limit 'misinformation' on platforms, though my memory is blank on exactly who it was. I'm eagerly awaiting for the western first-world political climate to do a complete 180 so all the citizens who supported these emotionally-backed "feel good" laws while voting for the candidates who support them can have "I told you so" thrown into their faces at Mach infinity when the laws they thought were a good idea get used against them by people they don't like. The western-world is getting increasingly authoritarian now that people are realizing that their country isn't what was sold to them anymore - the never-ending cycle continues.
simonswords82 4y ago
ClusterFuc? ClusterFuk?
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by spzb 4y ago

kneebonian 4y ago

You put your authoritarian measure in, you take your regulation clause out, you put special intrests and you shake your constituents about. You do the government pokey and you spin the media around. That's what it's all about. You put your pay raise in, you take your public good will out, you put your pork in and you shake the public about. You do the government pokey and you spin the lies around. That's what it's all about.

escapologybb 4y ago
Thank you, that is now going round in my head on a continuous loop! I pretty much completely agree with the content of what you said as well.
- EarlKing 4y ago
  It could be worse. You could be imagining Peter Jurasik as Londo Mollari singing this in a continuous loop.
  - gekokujo 4y ago
    This image made my day!
  - slowmovintarget 4y ago
    As the Minbari teacher said; I rather enjoyed that.
  - fotbr 4y ago
    That's not worse, that's an outstanding mental image.
  - rhdunn 4y ago
    It doesn't make sense! I'd rather be nibbled to death by cats!
scifibestfi 4y ago
How do we get off this ride?
- lazide 4y ago
  The temptation of course is to elect a ‘strong good man’ (or woman, but historically it’s men) to untangle it. They’ll of course need lots of power to do it. Also, they’ll of course have lots of detractors (whiners all of them!) when they start to untangle things and step on toes, so the temptation is of course to shut them up or get them out of the way. And voila, fascism and/or outright dictatorship. Or, you know, we could research what our elected representatives actually do and accomplish instead of what they say they do and accomplish, and vote for those who effectively and reliably do what is in our best interests. That is, unfortunately, much harder.
  - thatguy0900 4y ago
    Benevolent dictatorships do seem by far the best system of government. Until his kid takes over and turns out to not be quite so benevolent, at least.
    - lazide 4y ago
      Or they get corrupt/powermad. Or you happen to be in a group singled out as ‘the bad guys’ when people start getting tired of the dictator or their methods, etc. It’s extremely rare to have a true Cincinnatus, but pretty common to have someone who says they are. Until they get in the seat, anyway.
  - treeman79 4y ago
    It’s very simple. does a politician push for smaller and more restrictions on government. Or do they push for bigger government.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    > those who effectively and reliably do what is in our best interests. That there is the "and then come the Martians" part.
shuntress 4y ago
If self governance was easy, someone would have figured it out by now.
- fredgrott 4y ago
  if is in fact easy... it's called media and tech monopolies!
- thatguy0900 4y ago
  If only the bigger governments hadn't historically just taken over the smaller governments we might live in a very different world
- treeman79 4y ago
  The US constitution was written specifically to limit the power of government. Basically giving the government the absolute minimum amount of power to be functional. With crazy restrictions on making changes so that it’s hard for the government to grab more power. An armed population helps keep the government from going too crazy like what China is doing to people over Covid. Hard to weld doors shut on peoples homes if they have shotguns.
  - scohesc 4y ago
    It is truly interesting seeing in Canada how they're slowly removing gun rights away from their citizens - while also pushing bills like C-11 that allow governments to influence what social media companies can show to Canadians' eyeballs. They've recently said they're not going to ban hunting rifles, but 5 days ago the SKS is now part of the list of banned guns in Bill C-21, one of the more popular hunting rifles - due to generic bill wording of "center-fire, semi-automatic guns capable of firing more than 5 rounds in a magazine" Even better, the original (at least, publicly known) intent of the gun ban was to limit ownership of handguns. Bill C-11 is promoted under the guise of "promoting Canadian content" but of course it's going to be mis-used and abused to control information and the narrative on both domestic and foreign events - if they have the power then they're going to use it for what they want to. A Liberal MP actually stated that they could use the bill to limit 'misinformation' on platforms, though my memory is blank on exactly who it was. I'm eagerly awaiting for the western first-world political climate to do a complete 180 so all the citizens who supported these emotionally-backed "feel good" laws while voting for the candidates who support them can have "I told you so" thrown into their faces at Mach infinity when the laws they thought were a good idea get used against them by people they don't like. The western-world is getting increasingly authoritarian now that people are realizing that their country isn't what was sold to them anymore - the never-ending cycle continues.

simonswords82 4y ago

ClusterFuc? ClusterFuk?

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