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This is absolutely not 'debunked'. Taken from wikipedia entry on Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score [1]: - Chicken has a PDCAAS of 0.95 - Soy h

This is absolutely not 'debunked'. Taken from wikipedia entry on Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score [1]: - Chicken has a PDCAAS of 0.95 - Soy has a PDCAAS of 0.92 - Black beans have a PDCAAS of 0.74 (highest legume) - Other beans and legumes have a PDCAAS of 0.70 - Wheat (seitan) has a PDCAAS of 0.42 Facts: Soy has good enough nutrients to make a valid claims for it without throwing away valid science. Soy is not surpassing chicken breast in PDCAAS, or red meat. Eggs and dairy literally break the scale and are by far the highest ranking whole foods on a PDCAAS basis. Seitan and beans are terrible in comparison in terms of PDCAAS, with you needing to consume nearly 2x the amount of protein from the former to compete with the later. Opinions: As far as fat goes, keep in mind tofu has a 1:2 fat:protein ratio. Chicken breast is 1:20+. This reason is the reason a lot of people herald chicken breast Overconsumption of soy can lead to health implications Soy does not have enough leucine to trigger the MTOR pathways to build muscle. If you are having soy post workout, you need to consume 45-60g of protein, vs just 20-30g of protein from animal products Red meat has literally everything you need to live. Throw in a little carbs and fiber too and you can run at peak performance without worrying about anything in your diet. Biases: I've been relentless about my diet for 10 years and have tried everything. This includes vegan, vegetarian, keto, carb cycling, protein sparring modified fasts, you name it. This year I started eating an animal based diet and not only do I feel great, my TDEE went from 2400 to over 3700. This means while I used to eat 2400kCal to maintain my weight, I now have to eat 3700 to maintain my weight, and I feel fantastic while doing so. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_Digestibility_Corrected_Amino_Acid_Score https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_Digestibility_Correcte...

ianai 4y ago
“- Chicken has a PDCAAS of 0.95 - Soy has a PDCAAS of 0.92” That sounds pretty comparable from your chosen metric.
- barrell 4y ago
  I don't disagree that it's comparable - in fact that's half my point. That was the first 'fact' I listed. It's pointless to claim bioavailability is 'debunked', because soy stands on it's own in the bioavailability data. However, it's also misleading to claim it's debunked then point to seitan and beans as viable alternatives, or warn against fat content immediately after comparing tofu to chicken.
ada1981 4y ago
How do you feel great knowing you are harming other sentient beings? Are there other areas of your life that you optimize for your own personal preferences at the expense of other sentient beings? Are there areas where you don’t?
- bmacho 4y ago
  What about you?
- d1sxeyes 4y ago
  Putting aside the combative tone of your comment: > Are there other areas of your life that you optimize for your own personal preferences at the expense of other sentient beings? I think the answer must be yes for everyone here. We are choosing to use (and pay for) the internet and electricity when we could instead be buying food for people who have none. We participate in Western economies which prey on the economies of the developing world. I think it's important to also think about the definition here of 'sentient' and the definition of 'harm'. Is it 'harmful' to build houses, when otherwise animals would live in the fields/forests? Is it 'harmful' to burn fossil fuels for energy? Do you refuse to use electricity which has come from fossil fuel sources? Is 'sentience' the right point to draw the line? How would you respond to findings like this: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pce.13065 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pce.13065, which comes to the conclusion that the assumption that plants are not sentient may be flawed?
  - ada1981 4y ago
    I just spent the last month learning to build EarthShip homes from the human waste stream. Not perfect but heading in the right direction as they generate all their own power. You make great points about exploitation that we all benefit from. As for plants, I think it’s possible, however raising animals requires even more plants to be killed. And I’m not sure plants experience pain the way animals do. And if I had to choose, it seems animals are more capable of experiencing pain and suffering.
  - ajmurmann 4y ago

ianai 4y ago

“- Chicken has a PDCAAS of 0.95 - Soy has a PDCAAS of 0.92” That sounds pretty comparable from your chosen metric.

barrell 4y ago
I don't disagree that it's comparable - in fact that's half my point. That was the first 'fact' I listed. It's pointless to claim bioavailability is 'debunked', because soy stands on it's own in the bioavailability data. However, it's also misleading to claim it's debunked then point to seitan and beans as viable alternatives, or warn against fat content immediately after comparing tofu to chicken.

ada1981 4y ago

How do you feel great knowing you are harming other sentient beings? Are there other areas of your life that you optimize for your own personal preferences at the expense of other sentient beings? Are there areas where you don’t?

bmacho 4y ago
What about you?
d1sxeyes 4y ago
Putting aside the combative tone of your comment: > Are there other areas of your life that you optimize for your own personal preferences at the expense of other sentient beings? I think the answer must be yes for everyone here. We are choosing to use (and pay for) the internet and electricity when we could instead be buying food for people who have none. We participate in Western economies which prey on the economies of the developing world. I think it's important to also think about the definition here of 'sentient' and the definition of 'harm'. Is it 'harmful' to build houses, when otherwise animals would live in the fields/forests? Is it 'harmful' to burn fossil fuels for energy? Do you refuse to use electricity which has come from fossil fuel sources? Is 'sentience' the right point to draw the line? How would you respond to findings like this: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pce.13065 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pce.13065, which comes to the conclusion that the assumption that plants are not sentient may be flawed?
- ada1981 4y ago
  I just spent the last month learning to build EarthShip homes from the human waste stream. Not perfect but heading in the right direction as they generate all their own power. You make great points about exploitation that we all benefit from. As for plants, I think it’s possible, however raising animals requires even more plants to be killed. And I’m not sure plants experience pain the way animals do. And if I had to choose, it seems animals are more capable of experiencing pain and suffering.
- ajmurmann 4y ago