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> ethical duty to make that public There are gag orders in the US and UK too, which companies have to follow or they are breaking the law. Are they unethical t

> ethical duty to make that public There are gag orders in the US and UK too, which companies have to follow or they are breaking the law. Are they unethical too? Or do you mean, it is unethical for apple to not tell Americans what the Chinese government has asked them to do within China, to Chinese citizens, in order to benefit from being legally in good standing and able to continue to do commerce within China? If so, then is it unethical for them to follow US gag orders and not tell the Chinese public?

concinds 4y ago
Please read the full sentence. > If Apple is complying with a Chinese government orders, then it has an ethical duty to make that public, and again, we have, as of yet, no reason to assume there are gag orders related to this. I am saying that if there's no gag order, they have an ethical duty to reveal why they're doing this.
- flumpcakes 4y ago
  Oh, I see. This makes even less sense to me now! Considering we live in a world of constantly updating SaaS, where is the ethical obligation to explain changes? I'm happy to receive a change log that says 10% of what has changed, and generally expect to not get a reason. How many entire products has Google killed with no explanation? I have a feeling this is only become a question of "ethics" because this change tangentially touches protests & CCP.
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    It's not "tangential". It was only rolled out in China. My phone outside of China, with latest iOS update, still has no time limit on Airdrop. Protesters in China as of now have a time limit. (It depends on the country in which the phone was purchased, like with missing Taiwan flag emoji.) These pro-freedom protests are the event in China and there is simply no way Apple flipped this change just now just for China by accident for completely unrelated reasons.

concinds 4y ago

Please read the full sentence. > If Apple is complying with a Chinese government orders, then it has an ethical duty to make that public, and again, we have, as of yet, no reason to assume there are gag orders related to this. I am saying that if there's no gag order, they have an ethical duty to reveal why they're doing this.

flumpcakes 4y ago
Oh, I see. This makes even less sense to me now! Considering we live in a world of constantly updating SaaS, where is the ethical obligation to explain changes? I'm happy to receive a change log that says 10% of what has changed, and generally expect to not get a reason. How many entire products has Google killed with no explanation? I have a feeling this is only become a question of "ethics" because this change tangentially touches protests & CCP.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  It's not "tangential". It was only rolled out in China. My phone outside of China, with latest iOS update, still has no time limit on Airdrop. Protesters in China as of now have a time limit. (It depends on the country in which the phone was purchased, like with missing Taiwan flag emoji.) These pro-freedom protests are the event in China and there is simply no way Apple flipped this change just now just for China by accident for completely unrelated reasons.