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The article should better explain what gaslighting is not. It's misleading to use the word "gaslighting" as a synonym to "lie", "deceit" or "fraud". Lies in gen

The article should better explain what gaslighting is not. It's misleading to use the word "gaslighting" as a synonym to "lie", "deceit" or "fraud". Lies in general are used to gain unfair advantage, but in most situations we can think of it as a stealing. Gaslighting is much more than that. It's a psychological murder.

automatic6131 4y ago
>It's misleading to use the word "gaslighting" as a synonym to "lie", "deceit" or "fraud". It would be nice if that was as far as it drifted. I've seen it used as a synonym for "disagreeing [with me]" and "mistaken".
- a4a4a4a4 4y ago
  Well, if you're disagreeing with someone who cannot conceive that they _might_ be wrong, then to them you _are_ gaslighting them. Even though they're just wrong and refusing to engage.
  - executesorder66 4y ago
    No. Because only if they _could_ conceive that they were wrong, would you be gaslighting them. You have to succeed at making them doubt themselves for it to be gaslighting.
    - a4a4a4a4 4y ago
      Stop gaslighting me. /s
    - kortilla 4y ago
      Well if you don’t convince them, then you’re just “trying to gaslight them”. I’ve been on the receiving end of this stupidity.
      - executesorder66 4y ago
        Fair counterpoint. But gaslighting would still have to be a continued effort over a long period of time. If it's just one conversation/argument, then that still isn't gaslighting. Or to put it another way: the distinction would be are they persistently (and subversively) trying to change your thoughts on the matter for their own personal gain, or did they just express disagreement?
dandanua 4y ago
Funny thing. I've upvoted two comments in a row (and it was visible in UI), but found out later that the second vote didn't pass. For a moment I thought HN is gaslighting me - it's a vivid example of it. Apparently, there is a minimum delay between upvotes on the backend.
jasonhansel 4y ago
The article says: > But in recent years, we have seen the meaning of gaslighting refer also to something simpler and broader: “the act or practice of grossly misleading someone, especially for a personal advantage.” The dictionary now lists that broader meaning in part 2 of its definition of the word: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting

automatic6131 4y ago

>It's misleading to use the word "gaslighting" as a synonym to "lie", "deceit" or "fraud". It would be nice if that was as far as it drifted. I've seen it used as a synonym for "disagreeing [with me]" and "mistaken".

a4a4a4a4 4y ago
Well, if you're disagreeing with someone who cannot conceive that they _might_ be wrong, then to them you _are_ gaslighting them. Even though they're just wrong and refusing to engage.
- executesorder66 4y ago
  No. Because only if they _could_ conceive that they were wrong, would you be gaslighting them. You have to succeed at making them doubt themselves for it to be gaslighting.
  - a4a4a4a4 4y ago
    Stop gaslighting me. /s
  - kortilla 4y ago
    Well if you don’t convince them, then you’re just “trying to gaslight them”. I’ve been on the receiving end of this stupidity.
    - executesorder66 4y ago
      Fair counterpoint. But gaslighting would still have to be a continued effort over a long period of time. If it's just one conversation/argument, then that still isn't gaslighting. Or to put it another way: the distinction would be are they persistently (and subversively) trying to change your thoughts on the matter for their own personal gain, or did they just express disagreement?

dandanua 4y ago

Funny thing. I've upvoted two comments in a row (and it was visible in UI), but found out later that the second vote didn't pass. For a moment I thought HN is gaslighting me - it's a vivid example of it. Apparently, there is a minimum delay between upvotes on the backend.

jasonhansel 4y ago

The article says: > But in recent years, we have seen the meaning of gaslighting refer also to something simpler and broader: “the act or practice of grossly misleading someone, especially for a personal advantage.” The dictionary now lists that broader meaning in part 2 of its definition of the word: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting