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> Palaeolithic diets were diverse and prehistoric cooking complex, involving several steps of food preparation. > mounting evidence of plant consumption by bot

> Palaeolithic diets were diverse and prehistoric cooking complex, involving several steps of food preparation. > mounting evidence of plant consumption by both early modern humans and Neanderthals, in addition to meat. Wild nuts and grasses were often combined with pulses, such as lentils, and wild mustard. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/23/oldest-cooked-leftovers-ever-found-suggest-neanderthals-were-foodies https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/23/oldest-cooke... > Cooking in caves: Palaeolithic carbonised plant food remains from Franchthi and Shanidar https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/cooking-in-caves-palaeolithic-carbonised-plant-food-remains-from-franchthi-and-shanidar/0CB510C9E528CD7AD923469D78E14E42# https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/co...

oblio 4y ago
I don't think he's saying that. He's saying that we ate all of those AND meat, and meat was actually meat, you know, a tried and tested substance on which entire species subsist, while the new thing is a super complex mix of stuff we don't really understand.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. If they want to say something of value then they should present data showing that these products are not as healthy as an otherwise identical diet consisting of real meat.
  - oblio 4y ago
    > Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. An appeal to nature and/or tradition is not inherently a fallacy. We KNOW for a fact that meat is a valid food, and we also know almost all of its downsides. We definitely don't know the downsides of all these new "foods". And unfortunately it's the kind of thing that will take decades and decades to figure out. See for tobacco, for example: https://youtu.be/GMOyNgLSX2g?t=1801 https://youtu.be/GMOyNgLSX2g?t=1801 But in any case, since I don't have conclusive evidence this is bad for us, I'm perfectly fine with others being Guinea Pigs and I'll be perfectly happy to eat it once there are government mandates in place to ban meat consumption and have it replaced with artificial meat :-)
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
      In this case, it is definitely fallacy. These new "foods" are made of all the same stuff as the things we have been eating for centuries [0]. Soy, peas, rice, various plant fats, vitamins, etc. This is the part where you bring out the "processing" boogeyman, right? Like people haven't been eating processed foods for decades too? [0] with the exception of the heme in Impossible burgers I suppose, which did undergo animal testing and was approved by the FDA same as drugs you've likely taken that were approved in the past decade.
      - oblio 4y ago
        > Like people haven't been eating processed foods for decades too? And guess what, saturated fats are killing us. Saturated fats found in abundance in processed foods. Less processed foods don't have as many saturated fats, so this isn't really a problem you encounter with a traditional diet. This is just an example of why're right that processed foods are bad for us. It's not a boogeyman if it can be proven right with a 2-minute Google search. And not this kind of Google search: https://youtu.be/Cxqca4RQd_M?t=286 https://youtu.be/Cxqca4RQd_M?t=286 Excuse me for not trusting blindy J. Random startup making food from stuff at the bottom of a glass tube. I'm sure their incentives are perfectly aligned with mine :-)

oblio 4y ago

I don't think he's saying that. He's saying that we ate all of those AND meat, and meat was actually meat, you know, a tried and tested substance on which entire species subsist, while the new thing is a super complex mix of stuff we don't really understand.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. If they want to say something of value then they should present data showing that these products are not as healthy as an otherwise identical diet consisting of real meat.
- oblio 4y ago
  > Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. An appeal to nature and/or tradition is not inherently a fallacy. We KNOW for a fact that meat is a valid food, and we also know almost all of its downsides. We definitely don't know the downsides of all these new "foods". And unfortunately it's the kind of thing that will take decades and decades to figure out. See for tobacco, for example: https://youtu.be/GMOyNgLSX2g?t=1801 https://youtu.be/GMOyNgLSX2g?t=1801 But in any case, since I don't have conclusive evidence this is bad for us, I'm perfectly fine with others being Guinea Pigs and I'll be perfectly happy to eat it once there are government mandates in place to ban meat consumption and have it replaced with artificial meat :-)
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    In this case, it is definitely fallacy. These new "foods" are made of all the same stuff as the things we have been eating for centuries [0]. Soy, peas, rice, various plant fats, vitamins, etc. This is the part where you bring out the "processing" boogeyman, right? Like people haven't been eating processed foods for decades too? [0] with the exception of the heme in Impossible burgers I suppose, which did undergo animal testing and was approved by the FDA same as drugs you've likely taken that were approved in the past decade.
    - oblio 4y ago
      > Like people haven't been eating processed foods for decades too? And guess what, saturated fats are killing us. Saturated fats found in abundance in processed foods. Less processed foods don't have as many saturated fats, so this isn't really a problem you encounter with a traditional diet. This is just an example of why're right that processed foods are bad for us. It's not a boogeyman if it can be proven right with a 2-minute Google search. And not this kind of Google search: https://youtu.be/Cxqca4RQd_M?t=286 https://youtu.be/Cxqca4RQd_M?t=286 Excuse me for not trusting blindy J. Random startup making food from stuff at the bottom of a glass tube. I'm sure their incentives are perfectly aligned with mine :-)