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I've never understood real estate investing... - You have to do a bunch of physical maintenance of the property and be on-call to unclog toilets - You have to
by csense 4y ago
I've never understood real estate investing...
- You have to do a bunch of physical maintenance of the property and be on-call to unclog toilets
- You have to know landlord-tenant law inside and out, there are a lot of hidden gotchas that can get you sued for big money or even criminally prosecuted
- You have to see stuff that's wrong with the property and understand how much you'll need to fix it
- You have to know how to find all sorts of contractors who will do a good job and not rip you off
- You can't invest in say the $500-$5000 range to get your feet wet at small scale, every property with any sort of building on it at all is like $50,000+, and building a brand-new house is even more expensive
- Enormous leverage seems to be the norm, and in most states, the bank doesn't forgive debt that's not covered by sale of the collateral (house)
- Anyone with enough money can do it, it's a perfectly competitive market where it seems difficult to have any kind of edge over professional landlords or house flippers that have built a career in this area, have a lot of capital and a staff of full-time experts optimizing every aspect down to a science
- If I get on e.g. Zillow it says, "Such-and-such property in location A is worth $X and such-and-such property in location B is worth $Y where Y = 3X" and I say "Wait why is it that? Y = 2X or Y = 4X also seems equally reasonable, heck Y = X or Y = 5X don't seem unreasonable." I have no intuitive sense for what property value should be.
- Your investment's locked up for a long time, it takes weeks / months to sell real estate.
- In 2022, you'd be lucky if a computer from 2002 sells for maybe 5% - 10% of what it sold for in 2002. In 2022, you're telling me a house sells for.. enough more (in real terms) than what it sold for in 2002 that it would have been a worthwhile investment despite now being 20 years old(er)? That feels like some kind of violation of whatever is the financial equivalent of the laws of thermodynamics
- You can do all your landlording right and still get screwed by tenants from hell.
For me, a stock and an investment property both yielding 6.4% are in no way equivalent. Given all the downsides, the ROI on property would need to be like 5-10 times as high for stocks for me to even consider it.. and that gets into too-good-to-be-true returns.
I know there are people who are experts in this area and people who say real estate's a good investment. But I don't understand real estate anywhere near well enough to put in the sums of money that seem to be required.
- lmm 4y agoThere's a whole bunch of tax advantages and structural advantages. The mortgage interest tax deduction is the big one, and I think there's another one that applies to those who own up to 4 properties? > In 2022, you'd be lucky if a computer from 2002 sells for maybe 5% - 10% of what it sold for in 2002. In 2022, you're telling me a house sells for.. enough more (in real terms) than what it sold for in 2002 that it would have been a worthwhile investment despite now being 20 years old(er)? That feels like some kind of violation of whatever is the financial equivalent of the laws of thermodynamics The secret ingredient is that it's essentially illegal to build new homes anywhere remotely desirable.
- gonzo41 4y agoAlso god's not making any more land. So owning crap buildings on great locations is a great way to land bank for a payday in the future. Though climate change will redraw a lot of maps in this regard.
- pharmakom 4y agoThere is an excess of land, particularly in the USA. The issue is that people want to live near, you know, stuff.
- SuoDuanDao 4y agoThat's one reason why I'm so idealistic about the work-from-home trend we saw after Covid. I'm from one of those empty rural communities - the way of life is great if you can manage to make a living.
- TylerE 4y agoNot just near stuff... most people don't want to live in the middle of a desert, or where there's snow on the ground 9+ months a year (a lot of that undeveloped land is in Alaska, and not the little coastal strip where 90% of the population lives, either)
- IAmGraydon 4y ago