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> All in the middle of Chinese pro democracy demonstrations like in the good ol'days of 1989 pro-democracy? the west likes to exaggerate everything that's hap

> All in the middle of Chinese pro democracy demonstrations like in the good ol'days of 1989 pro-democracy? the west likes to exaggerate everything that's happening in foreign countries it's just about the zero-covid policy do you call the anti mask mandate protests in the US "pro-democracy demonstrations"? Also what's up with that website, every articles are broken, there is no text, just a picture, some noise in the network?

tianqi 4y ago
It is definitely not only about the zero-covid policy. There are certain slogans in there that people rarely say because that takes a serious danger. So not much, but that means more.
ailun 4y ago
I understand media skepticism, but your comment is just as reductive and misinformed as saying that all the protests are pro-democracy. There are both types of protest right now in China. Many are anti-local government, asking for the central government to help rein in the provincial and city-level officials who are the ones actually responsible for enforcing zero-Covid. But there are also many pro-democracy/human rights type people coming out as well, especially in Shanghai and on university campuses. There are tons of videos of them calling for democracy, for Xi Jinping to step down, that kind of thing. You can find them on Twitter, but you’ll have to sort through all of the spam that the Chinese government is flooding relevant hashtags with.
samcheng 4y ago
I don't think the "white paper" statement in these protests is about zero-covid policy exactly - it's clearly about censorship and freedom of expression. The zero-covid policy precipitated the unrest - guess where covid policy and freedom of expression intersect? That's right, self-determination / democracy. Most of these protests are not directly about democracy yet, but they are definitely hinting toward it.
kccqzy 4y ago
Do a search for "Beijing Sitong Bridge" in your favorite search engine. The protest was about Xi's third term as president. That's enough to be a pro-democracy protest for me.
- coliveira 4y ago
  For Western media everything in China is about political protest. If a person cry on the street it must be a "democracy fighter" trying to "destroy that government that we don't like"...
tw1984 4y ago
> the west likes to exaggerate everything that's happening in foreign countries Chinese living in China here. I don't see any western involvement. There were protests in almost every tier-1 and tier-2 cities in China during the last few days. This is totally unheard of since the Tiananmen Square incident back in 1989. Police were ordered to randomly stop people to search their phones, they want to see whether you are part of wechat groups discussing the ongoing protests. Here in Shanghai, they even had the street nameplate removed because it contains the word Urumqi, which is the name of the city where 10 people who were locked up at home for zero-covid crap were burned to death due to a fire accident. 3 full years after the outbreak of the COVID, enough is enough, you just can't treat people like crap forever just because there are COVID.
- vachina 4y ago
  I’d like to remind you that western media were the first to fling blame on China during the beginning of Covid, for not restricting China nationals from traveling and spreading Covid. Damned if they lockdown, damned if they don’t lockdown.
  - tw1984 4y ago
    I'd like to remind you that the current situation is vastly different from the beginning of 2020. According to official figures, 240k cases confirmed in China in the last 7 days, there are now a total of 106 people in serious condition across the country. Locking down a big percentage of the country home to 1.4 billion people for illness like this is beyond imagination.

tianqi 4y ago

It is definitely not only about the zero-covid policy. There are certain slogans in there that people rarely say because that takes a serious danger. So not much, but that means more.

ailun 4y ago

I understand media skepticism, but your comment is just as reductive and misinformed as saying that all the protests are pro-democracy. There are both types of protest right now in China. Many are anti-local government, asking for the central government to help rein in the provincial and city-level officials who are the ones actually responsible for enforcing zero-Covid. But there are also many pro-democracy/human rights type people coming out as well, especially in Shanghai and on university campuses. There are tons of videos of them calling for democracy, for Xi Jinping to step down, that kind of thing. You can find them on Twitter, but you’ll have to sort through all of the spam that the Chinese government is flooding relevant hashtags with.

samcheng 4y ago

I don't think the "white paper" statement in these protests is about zero-covid policy exactly - it's clearly about censorship and freedom of expression. The zero-covid policy precipitated the unrest - guess where covid policy and freedom of expression intersect? That's right, self-determination / democracy. Most of these protests are not directly about democracy yet, but they are definitely hinting toward it.

kccqzy 4y ago

Do a search for "Beijing Sitong Bridge" in your favorite search engine. The protest was about Xi's third term as president. That's enough to be a pro-democracy protest for me.

coliveira 4y ago
For Western media everything in China is about political protest. If a person cry on the street it must be a "democracy fighter" trying to "destroy that government that we don't like"...

tw1984 4y ago

> the west likes to exaggerate everything that's happening in foreign countries Chinese living in China here. I don't see any western involvement. There were protests in almost every tier-1 and tier-2 cities in China during the last few days. This is totally unheard of since the Tiananmen Square incident back in 1989. Police were ordered to randomly stop people to search their phones, they want to see whether you are part of wechat groups discussing the ongoing protests. Here in Shanghai, they even had the street nameplate removed because it contains the word Urumqi, which is the name of the city where 10 people who were locked up at home for zero-covid crap were burned to death due to a fire accident. 3 full years after the outbreak of the COVID, enough is enough, you just can't treat people like crap forever just because there are COVID.

vachina 4y ago
I’d like to remind you that western media were the first to fling blame on China during the beginning of Covid, for not restricting China nationals from traveling and spreading Covid. Damned if they lockdown, damned if they don’t lockdown.
- tw1984 4y ago
  I'd like to remind you that the current situation is vastly different from the beginning of 2020. According to official figures, 240k cases confirmed in China in the last 7 days, there are now a total of 106 people in serious condition across the country. Locking down a big percentage of the country home to 1.4 billion people for illness like this is beyond imagination.