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Is there a reason that he would do that since the HSR directly pulls cars off the highway and relieves congestion? Do you have a link to him talking about the

Is there a reason that he would do that since the HSR directly pulls cars off the highway and relieves congestion? Do you have a link to him talking about the hyperloop X HSR cancellation discussion?

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Is there a reason that he would do that since the HSR directly pulls cars off the highway and relieves congestion? Because he sells cars, so reducing demand for them is contrary to his interests (even if you believe his PR that he only is in the car business to develop tech abd raise money for Mars, losing the income stream hurts those interests.) > Do you have a link to him talking about the hyperloop X HSR cancellation discussion? Its from communications with his biographer, and recorded in the biography: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990?t=o0GOu8nEvUq6CPUPYrCLTg&s=19 https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990?t=o...
- Robotbeat 4y ago
  So in other words, no actual evidence for him doing this because of a conspiracy to sell more cars? And if we’re going to grant Musk’s stated motivations as true, he started Tesla to enable the transition to clean energy in transport, not just to make money for Mars. I could see why a criminally over budget and grossly over-schedule HSR project would not exactly be helpful to that aim.
- renewiltord 4y ago
  I'll pull the quote forward so people can make a decision as to how they feel: > At the time, it seemed that Musk had dished out the Hyperloop proposal just to make the public and legislators rethink the high speed train. He didn't actually intend to build it. It was more that he wanted to show people that more creative ideas were out there for things that might actually solve problems and push the state forward. With any luck, the high speed rail would be canceled. Musk said as much to me during series of phone calls and emails leading up to the announcement. "Down the road, I might advise on a high speed rail project but right now I can't take my eye off the ball at either SpaceX or Tesla", he wrote.
- schiffern 4y ago
  > Its from communications with his biographer You don't have to dig that deep. Musk mentioned his inspiration was the (most expensive per mile and slowest in the world) California HSR in... his very first interview after publishing the whitepaper.[1] He also mentioned it in the whitepaper (third paragraph).[2] Musk was completely up-front with his disdain for that boondoggle. Can we not pretend like this was some deeply buried secret that had to 'leak' out? [1] https://archive.ph/eThag https://archive.ph/eThag [2] https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/hyperloop-alpha.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/hyperl...
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > You don't have to dig that deep. Musk mentioned his inspiration was the (most expensive per mile and slowest in the world) California HSR in... his very first interview after publishing the whitepaper. That it was proposed as an alternatige to CA HSR wasn’t the point, that it was proposed only to derail with no intent to build even if successful in derailing HSR was. (That it was decidedly nonserious in substance as a proposal, aside from questions of intent or technical practicality, deriving most of its cost savings by fantastic assumptions about land acquisition costs and locating its terminals far from the population centers it would notionally serve is also worth keeping in mind.)

Is there a reason that he would do that since the HSR directly pulls cars off the highway and relieves congestion? Do you have a link to him talking about the hyperloop X HSR cancellation discussion?

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Is there a reason that he would do that since the HSR directly pulls cars off the highway and relieves congestion? Because he sells cars, so reducing demand for them is contrary to his interests (even if you believe his PR that he only is in the car business to develop tech abd raise money for Mars, losing the income stream hurts those interests.) > Do you have a link to him talking about the hyperloop X HSR cancellation discussion? Its from communications with his biographer, and recorded in the biography: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990?t=o0GOu8nEvUq6CPUPYrCLTg&s=19 https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990?t=o...

Robotbeat 4y ago
So in other words, no actual evidence for him doing this because of a conspiracy to sell more cars? And if we’re going to grant Musk’s stated motivations as true, he started Tesla to enable the transition to clean energy in transport, not just to make money for Mars. I could see why a criminally over budget and grossly over-schedule HSR project would not exactly be helpful to that aim.
renewiltord 4y ago
I'll pull the quote forward so people can make a decision as to how they feel: > At the time, it seemed that Musk had dished out the Hyperloop proposal just to make the public and legislators rethink the high speed train. He didn't actually intend to build it. It was more that he wanted to show people that more creative ideas were out there for things that might actually solve problems and push the state forward. With any luck, the high speed rail would be canceled. Musk said as much to me during series of phone calls and emails leading up to the announcement. "Down the road, I might advise on a high speed rail project but right now I can't take my eye off the ball at either SpaceX or Tesla", he wrote.
schiffern 4y ago
> Its from communications with his biographer You don't have to dig that deep. Musk mentioned his inspiration was the (most expensive per mile and slowest in the world) California HSR in... his very first interview after publishing the whitepaper.[1] He also mentioned it in the whitepaper (third paragraph).[2] Musk was completely up-front with his disdain for that boondoggle. Can we not pretend like this was some deeply buried secret that had to 'leak' out? [1] https://archive.ph/eThag https://archive.ph/eThag [2] https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/hyperloop-alpha.pdf https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/blog_images/hyperl...
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > You don't have to dig that deep. Musk mentioned his inspiration was the (most expensive per mile and slowest in the world) California HSR in... his very first interview after publishing the whitepaper. That it was proposed as an alternatige to CA HSR wasn’t the point, that it was proposed only to derail with no intent to build even if successful in derailing HSR was. (That it was decidedly nonserious in substance as a proposal, aside from questions of intent or technical practicality, deriving most of its cost savings by fantastic assumptions about land acquisition costs and locating its terminals far from the population centers it would notionally serve is also worth keeping in mind.)