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Terrible article. So now this is somehow Musk's fault that regulators do not allow to build anything.

by Aarronn 4y ago

coffeeblack 4y ago
Hit piece. The corporate media is trying to force Musk in line with the Uniparty.
- compiskey 4y ago
  Elon Musk’s existence does not give rise to reality. The knowledge and ability to do these things is not his alone as clearly he relies on a lot of workers. If society should really do these things is not for him to dictate via Twitter.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    Musk is the only person that is both in a position to meaningfully push back against the depraved behavior of the corporate press, and the willingness to do so. Exhibit A: https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1595994522886234112 https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1595994522886234112 Exhibit B: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597058841396797440 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597058841396797440 Despite his ridiculous antics, I'm cautiously optimistic.
    - billjings 4y ago
      Musk IS corporate press.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Exhibit B: "That American media would argue against free speech in America – within the bounds of the law – is an utter travesty." Exhibit C: Musk does exactly that. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560
    - compiskey 4y ago
      Yeah I mean the public could not logon for a day to send a message too. I mean that as a euphemism for broader ideas I won’t elaborate on. But let Musk do it, we don’t want that responsibility. Social media either makes it clear the general public is of immense restraint or too confused to know they don’t really owe carrying around in their heads any of this gibberish and could set aside the assigned work queues and focus on the ignored ones, like infra and healthcare. The government will respond to a populace with twice as many guns as people in a hurry at the slightest whiff of public comity. Please save us, Musk! … the great white savior complex. Still seeking a high minded savior suggests confused by all the gibberish and noise which is intentional but often ends up being uncontrollable. The code gets deciphered and the old masters get outplayed at their own game. Gen Z grew up digesting this gibberish. I’m hopeful they’re inoculated against it.
      - Consultant32452 4y ago
        Most of the general public are effectively NPCs who robotically repeat what is on the screen. I'm sure you know the behavior I'm talking about where someone expresses "their opinion" and it's word for word something they mindlessly parrot from Fox News or CNN or whatever they watch. That little context/fact check is extremely important. Recently, the White House tweeted bragging SS recipients were getting the largest increase in history. Context was added to the tweet to say it was legally required because inflation was so high and not a new action the government took. They were so embarrassed they deleted the tweet. That's real power. I doubt Musk is really a high-minded savior figure. If he's just doing this to make money then that is fine by me.
        compiskey 4y ago
        That’s your reductive view of the public. I don’t think they’re dimwitted NPCs, but being treated disingenuously by people who think they’re NPCs. The public is very aware they don’t deference to any particular individual. Musk, or you. At the end of the day twice as many guns as people in this country.
        Consultant32452 4y ago
- 7e 4y ago
  Did you know that organized religions were invented to exploit gullible people like yourself? Today, politicians, propagandists and populists use the same honed techniques.
keyle 4y ago
I want to agree with you, but there is also the facet of a man that promised to build something cheaper and better, without doing his homework. Regulations don't just fall from the sky.
- Aarronn 4y ago
  If nobody ever tries to build things which are physically possible but are likely to be blocked by regulators, we will never learn what the true constraint is. Most people around us believe that economic growth slowed down to near standstill due to some physical/technological constraints rather than was regulated away. We need more people like Musk who expose the truth that the regulations and bureaucracy are the largest problem the West has been facing for the last 40 years.
- schiffern 4y ago
  > a man that promised to build something cheaper and better No such promise was made. In fact, Musk explicitly went out of his way to say that he was not promising to build it himself. He said — paraphrasing — "I'm too busy to do this and it might not even work, but maybe someone else can work on it and succeed, so I'm giving away the idea for free."
XorNot 4y ago
Those regulations exist for a reason. If you dig tunnels underneath a city or town, you're liable to cause buildings to subside or collapse. This is not theoretical [1] - it happened in my city. That it happened is not somehow an argument for paying less attention to tunnel digging projects either (the LCT was done at around peak "NSW government gives stupid handouts to private companies for our infrastructure"). [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-11-02/balcony-collapses-into-tunnel-hole/2137388 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-11-02/balcony-collapses-int...
mehlmao 4y ago
The article describes several projects that failed, including ones such as Maryland where permits and environmental review were completed and Boring did not perform the work.
acdha 4y ago
Regulators didn’t force Musk to walk back from the autonomous vehicles sales pitch to the conventional sort. Regulators didn’t force Musk to claim advances which were already common in the field. Regulators didn’t force Musk not to ask why everyone else charged more. Regulators didn’t force Musk not to do any research about legal requirements. There are valid questions about why American infrastructure projects cost so much more than the rest of the world but that doesn’t mean that Musk’s problems are the fault of anyone but him. He’s good at marketing but as we’ve seen he only turns a profit where he can get a government guarantee and has a team managing his instincts to avoid him screwing up that gravy train on a whim.

Terrible article. So now this is somehow Musk's fault that regulators do not allow to build anything.

coffeeblack 4y ago

Hit piece. The corporate media is trying to force Musk in line with the Uniparty.

compiskey 4y ago
Elon Musk’s existence does not give rise to reality. The knowledge and ability to do these things is not his alone as clearly he relies on a lot of workers. If society should really do these things is not for him to dictate via Twitter.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  Musk is the only person that is both in a position to meaningfully push back against the depraved behavior of the corporate press, and the willingness to do so. Exhibit A: https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1595994522886234112 https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1595994522886234112 Exhibit B: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597058841396797440 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597058841396797440 Despite his ridiculous antics, I'm cautiously optimistic.
  - billjings 4y ago
    Musk IS corporate press.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Exhibit B: "That American media would argue against free speech in America – within the bounds of the law – is an utter travesty." Exhibit C: Musk does exactly that. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560
  - compiskey 4y ago
    Yeah I mean the public could not logon for a day to send a message too. I mean that as a euphemism for broader ideas I won’t elaborate on. But let Musk do it, we don’t want that responsibility. Social media either makes it clear the general public is of immense restraint or too confused to know they don’t really owe carrying around in their heads any of this gibberish and could set aside the assigned work queues and focus on the ignored ones, like infra and healthcare. The government will respond to a populace with twice as many guns as people in a hurry at the slightest whiff of public comity. Please save us, Musk! … the great white savior complex. Still seeking a high minded savior suggests confused by all the gibberish and noise which is intentional but often ends up being uncontrollable. The code gets deciphered and the old masters get outplayed at their own game. Gen Z grew up digesting this gibberish. I’m hopeful they’re inoculated against it.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
      Most of the general public are effectively NPCs who robotically repeat what is on the screen. I'm sure you know the behavior I'm talking about where someone expresses "their opinion" and it's word for word something they mindlessly parrot from Fox News or CNN or whatever they watch. That little context/fact check is extremely important. Recently, the White House tweeted bragging SS recipients were getting the largest increase in history. Context was added to the tweet to say it was legally required because inflation was so high and not a new action the government took. They were so embarrassed they deleted the tweet. That's real power. I doubt Musk is really a high-minded savior figure. If he's just doing this to make money then that is fine by me.
      - compiskey 4y ago
        That’s your reductive view of the public. I don’t think they’re dimwitted NPCs, but being treated disingenuously by people who think they’re NPCs. The public is very aware they don’t deference to any particular individual. Musk, or you. At the end of the day twice as many guns as people in this country.
        Consultant32452 4y ago
7e 4y ago
Did you know that organized religions were invented to exploit gullible people like yourself? Today, politicians, propagandists and populists use the same honed techniques.

keyle 4y ago

I want to agree with you, but there is also the facet of a man that promised to build something cheaper and better, without doing his homework. Regulations don't just fall from the sky.

Aarronn 4y ago
If nobody ever tries to build things which are physically possible but are likely to be blocked by regulators, we will never learn what the true constraint is. Most people around us believe that economic growth slowed down to near standstill due to some physical/technological constraints rather than was regulated away. We need more people like Musk who expose the truth that the regulations and bureaucracy are the largest problem the West has been facing for the last 40 years.
schiffern 4y ago
> a man that promised to build something cheaper and better No such promise was made. In fact, Musk explicitly went out of his way to say that he was not promising to build it himself. He said — paraphrasing — "I'm too busy to do this and it might not even work, but maybe someone else can work on it and succeed, so I'm giving away the idea for free."

XorNot 4y ago

Those regulations exist for a reason. If you dig tunnels underneath a city or town, you're liable to cause buildings to subside or collapse. This is not theoretical [1] - it happened in my city. That it happened is not somehow an argument for paying less attention to tunnel digging projects either (the LCT was done at around peak "NSW government gives stupid handouts to private companies for our infrastructure"). [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-11-02/balcony-collapses-into-tunnel-hole/2137388 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-11-02/balcony-collapses-int...

mehlmao 4y ago

The article describes several projects that failed, including ones such as Maryland where permits and environmental review were completed and Boring did not perform the work.

acdha 4y ago

Regulators didn’t force Musk to walk back from the autonomous vehicles sales pitch to the conventional sort. Regulators didn’t force Musk to claim advances which were already common in the field. Regulators didn’t force Musk not to ask why everyone else charged more. Regulators didn’t force Musk not to do any research about legal requirements. There are valid questions about why American infrastructure projects cost so much more than the rest of the world but that doesn’t mean that Musk’s problems are the fault of anyone but him. He’s good at marketing but as we’ve seen he only turns a profit where he can get a government guarantee and has a team managing his instincts to avoid him screwing up that gravy train on a whim.