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The purpose of an ISP is to allow a connection between customers and websites. Why should only one side pay?

by lzooz 4y ago

xboxnolifes 4y ago
Both sides already pay? Customers pay for internet access. Websites run on servers which are using some form of internet being paid for. If there is an ISP giving out free bandwidth somewhere, do please let me know.
- dhdgrygev 4y ago
  Cloudflare R2 gives out essentially free bandwidth, if that's the kind of thing you meant?
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    R2 is object storage and only part of a functional website
    - dhdgrygev 4y ago
      Of course. But it will provide you with free egress for files, a game changer for many projects. I've seen some projects from the community be several orders of magnitude cheaper to run than on competing services. Definitely worth exploring if you have any kind of large files to distribute, which seems like it might be the goal given the question was about bandwidth specifically.
dhdgrygev 4y ago
What are you talking about? Website operators already pay for hosting, which at large scale includes paying for your bandwidth aswell. Some platforms may use their own scale to provide some form of free hosting, such as Cloudflare pages, but at the end of the day this is just moving costs around between users, and Enterprise customers still pick up their hosting bill.
orangepurple 4y ago
You think a website just magically connects to the Internet for free?
- puffoflogic 4y ago
  Top websites should have to release their tax returns so we can see whether they pay.
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    https://www.vultr.com/pricing/#direct-connect https://www.vultr.com/pricing/#direct-connect - and - At what rate is overage bandwidth billed? Overage rates for bandwidth utilization in excess of instance allocation vary due to differences in regional costs. Overage rates are applied based on instance location according to the following list: $0.01/GB Overage Rate Amsterdam, NL Atlanta, Georgia Chicago, Illinois Dallas, Texas Frankfurt, DE Honolulu, Hawaii London, UK Los Angeles, California Madrid Miami, Florida New York (NJ) Paris, France Seattle, Washington Silicon Valley, California Stockholm, Sweden Toronto, Canada Warsaw, Poland $0.03/GB Overage Rate Singapore Tokyo, Japan $0.05/GB Overage Rate Bangalore, India Delhi NCR, India Melbourne, Australia Mexico City, Mexico Mumbai, India Seoul, South Korea Sydney, Australia São Paulo, Brazil
stephen_g 4y ago
Content providers have to pay for transit (although they try to peer for as much as possible, which is very much mutually beneficial for all parties who agree to do it). So both sides absolutely do already pay! All these kind of proposals are just attempts at double-dipping by ISPs.

The purpose of an ISP is to allow a connection between customers and websites. Why should only one side pay?

by lzooz 4y ago

The purpose of an ISP is to allow a connection between customers and websites. Why should only one side pay?

Both sides already pay? Customers pay for internet access. Websites run on servers which are using some form of internet being paid for. If there is an ISP giving out free bandwidth somewhere, do please let me know.

dhdgrygev 4y ago
Cloudflare R2 gives out essentially free bandwidth, if that's the kind of thing you meant?
- orangepurple 4y ago
  R2 is object storage and only part of a functional website
  - dhdgrygev 4y ago
    Of course. But it will provide you with free egress for files, a game changer for many projects. I've seen some projects from the community be several orders of magnitude cheaper to run than on competing services. Definitely worth exploring if you have any kind of large files to distribute, which seems like it might be the goal given the question was about bandwidth specifically.

dhdgrygev 4y ago

What are you talking about? Website operators already pay for hosting, which at large scale includes paying for your bandwidth aswell. Some platforms may use their own scale to provide some form of free hosting, such as Cloudflare pages, but at the end of the day this is just moving costs around between users, and Enterprise customers still pick up their hosting bill.

orangepurple 4y ago

You think a website just magically connects to the Internet for free?

puffoflogic 4y ago
Top websites should have to release their tax returns so we can see whether they pay.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  https://www.vultr.com/pricing/#direct-connect https://www.vultr.com/pricing/#direct-connect - and - At what rate is overage bandwidth billed? Overage rates for bandwidth utilization in excess of instance allocation vary due to differences in regional costs. Overage rates are applied based on instance location according to the following list: $0.01/GB Overage Rate Amsterdam, NL Atlanta, Georgia Chicago, Illinois Dallas, Texas Frankfurt, DE Honolulu, Hawaii London, UK Los Angeles, California Madrid Miami, Florida New York (NJ) Paris, France Seattle, Washington Silicon Valley, California Stockholm, Sweden Toronto, Canada Warsaw, Poland $0.03/GB Overage Rate Singapore Tokyo, Japan $0.05/GB Overage Rate Bangalore, India Delhi NCR, India Melbourne, Australia Mexico City, Mexico Mumbai, India Seoul, South Korea Sydney, Australia São Paulo, Brazil

stephen_g 4y ago

Content providers have to pay for transit (although they try to peer for as much as possible, which is very much mutually beneficial for all parties who agree to do it). So both sides absolutely do already pay! All these kind of proposals are just attempts at double-dipping by ISPs.