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Everyone already pays for their Internet access. In some cases, two networks will judge that their exchange is close enough to equal value that they will have
by dsr_ 4y ago
Everyone already pays for their Internet access.
In some cases, two networks will judge that their exchange is close enough to equal value that they will have a settlement-free peering in some locations at some speed.
Every few years, an MBA at a telco decides that there is rent to extract, often because they don't understand how the Internet works.
They are always wrong.
- dboreham 4y agoMBAs eating the world again.
- lzooz 4y agoThe purpose of an ISP is to allow a connection between customers and websites. Why should only one side pay?
- xboxnolifes 4y agoBoth sides already pay? Customers pay for internet access. Websites run on servers which are using some form of internet being paid for. If there is an ISP giving out free bandwidth somewhere, do please let me know.
- dhdgrygev 4y agoCloudflare R2 gives out essentially free bandwidth, if that's the kind of thing you meant?
- orangepurple 4y agoR2 is object storage and only part of a functional website
- dhdgrygev 4y agoOf course. But it will provide you with free egress for files, a game changer for many projects. I've seen some projects from the community be several orders of magnitude cheaper to run than on competing services. Definitely worth exploring if you have any kind of large files to distribute, which seems like it might be the goal given the question was about bandwidth specifically.
- dhdgrygev 4y agoWhat are you talking about? Website operators already pay for hosting, which at large scale includes paying for your bandwidth aswell. Some platforms may use their own scale to provide some form of free hosting, such as Cloudflare pages, but at the end of the day this is just moving costs around between users, and Enterprise customers still pick up their hosting bill.
- orangepurple 4y agoYou think a website just magically connects to the Internet for free?
- puffoflogic 4y agoTop websites should have to release their tax returns so we can see whether they pay.
- orangepurple 4y agohttps://www.vultr.com/pricing/#direct-connect https://www.vultr.com/pricing/#direct-connect - and - At what rate is overage bandwidth billed? Overage rates for bandwidth utilization in excess of instance allocation vary due to differences in regional costs. Overage rates are applied based on instance location according to the following list: $0.01/GB Overage Rate Amsterdam, NL Atlanta, Georgia Chicago, Illinois Dallas, Texas Frankfurt, DE Honolulu, Hawaii London, UK Los Angeles, California Madrid Miami, Florida New York (NJ) Paris, France Seattle, Washington Silicon Valley, California Stockholm, Sweden Toronto, Canada Warsaw, Poland $0.03/GB Overage Rate Singapore Tokyo, Japan $0.05/GB Overage Rate Bangalore, India Delhi NCR, India Melbourne, Australia Mexico City, Mexico Mumbai, India Seoul, South Korea Sydney, Australia São Paulo, Brazil
- stephen_g 4y agoContent providers have to pay for transit (although they try to peer for as much as possible, which is very much mutually beneficial for all parties who agree to do it). So both sides absolutely do already pay! All these kind of proposals are just attempts at double-dipping by ISPs.
- bcrl 4y agoBell Canada seems to be doing quite well at it. They reabsorbed the Bell Aliant assets in Ontario a few years ago and removed themselves from TorIX (the TORonto Internet eXchange, the largest IX in Ontario of which Bell Aliant was a member). The only place most Canadian ISPs can peer with Bell is in the US (in New York or Chicago, iirc). It's sad that local peering is not a thing in many jurisdictions. Bonus side effect: traffic crossing international borders is free to snoop on for the spooks!
- mardifoufs 4y agoWait, why though? What are they winning by not peering locally? I would've thought it would increase costs.
- foepys 4y agoThey probably are peering locally, just not publicly. In Germany the largest ISP Deutsche Telekom is not peering publicly in any meaningful manner. To get access to their customers you need to pay them a lot of money and connect to their network at some remote locations. It's the reason why YouTube was laggy for years for the majority of German customers until Google finally caved.
- ehhthing 4y agoThey do peer locally, but of course they charge for it. It's all PNI, and quite expensive. For the longest time, Cloudflare routes from Toronto went down to Chicago.
- bcrl 4y agoAny ISP that wants to peer with Bell either pays them to connect directly, or pays Bell for transport links to IXes in the United States. It's a win-win if you're Bell!
- sorum 4y agoRudolf van der Berg [1] delivered a good talk on the topic "Big Telco vs Big Tech, why telcos want money for traffic (again)" [2] He has a good, dry humor and some very valid points on why this is just the same old story as it ever was. [1] https://twitter.com/internetthought https://twitter.com/internetthought [2] https://youtu.be/WNk4QzPL4jU https://youtu.be/WNk4QzPL4jU