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I didn't play the video but I seriously doubt that Obama used the word "amnesty". "Low-skill immigration and amnesty" is quite clearly talking about latino imm

by jbooth 15y ago

I didn't play the video but I seriously doubt that Obama used the word "amnesty". "Low-skill immigration and amnesty" is quite clearly talking about latino immigrants. Not accusing him of being racist or anything but that's who he's talking about. Comprehensive immigration reform is needed in some form and a startup visa is one aspect of immigration reform. So it's really not outlandish to include it when talking about the subject. I'll spare you a websters-mirriam definition of comprehensive, immigration and reform. Sorry, the original comment just sounded like off-topic whining to me. Lots of putting words in people's mouths, very little contribution. EDIT: And the conservative downvote brigade has arrived. I'll just call it a day here.

yummyfajitas 15y ago
So it's really not outlandish to include it when talking about the subject. If you want the startup visa to pass, there is a very good reason to do it by itself: the startup visa is likely to pass, whereas comprehensive immigration reform is not. Lots of putting words in people's mouths, very little contribution. It contributes even less to deny his claims, which are basically correct. Obama's blueprint for immigration reform does include amnesty (you need to scroll to page 3 to find it). http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/immigration_blueprint.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/imm...
- jbooth 15y ago
  The "path to citizenship" outlined there has very little in common with what comes to mind when you say "amnesty". Read the language there, it's all about burdens on illegal immigrants and prerequisites, after which they can get in the back of the line to apply for citizenship. "Amnesty" implies something more similar to what Reagan did. Again, nobody was talking about this at all until anamax brought it up. And Obama proposing a startup visa by itself absolutely will not pass. You know why? Because it would involve Obama proposing it. See the House Republicans refusing to pass a tax cut this week.
  - anamax 15y ago
    > Read the language there, it's all about burdens on illegal immigrants and prerequisites, after which they can get in the back of the line to apply for citizenship. "back of the line"? They're starting in front of everyone who applied to immigrate, didn't get accepted, and waited until they did. Are you really arguing that it isn't amnesty because there are some conditions?
    - jbooth 15y ago
      Anything that takes over a decade to successfully execute isn't quite "amnesty" by my definition. "Amnesty" is like "Hey, you're good to go!". Amnesty International isn't campaigning for prisoners to be released "about 10 years from now".
      - anamax 15y ago
        There's no "decade to successfully execute" - they get legal resident status immediately after "touching base" (at most). But, you know this. Yes, they get to wait to be eligible for citizenship, just like every other legal immigrant. Are you seriously arguing that not letting them jump that line is punishment?

by jbooth 15y ago

yummyfajitas 15y ago

So it's really not outlandish to include it when talking about the subject. If you want the startup visa to pass, there is a very good reason to do it by itself: the startup visa is likely to pass, whereas comprehensive immigration reform is not. Lots of putting words in people's mouths, very little contribution. It contributes even less to deny his claims, which are basically correct. Obama's blueprint for immigration reform does include amnesty (you need to scroll to page 3 to find it). http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/immigration_blueprint.pdf http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/imm...

jbooth 15y ago
The "path to citizenship" outlined there has very little in common with what comes to mind when you say "amnesty". Read the language there, it's all about burdens on illegal immigrants and prerequisites, after which they can get in the back of the line to apply for citizenship. "Amnesty" implies something more similar to what Reagan did. Again, nobody was talking about this at all until anamax brought it up. And Obama proposing a startup visa by itself absolutely will not pass. You know why? Because it would involve Obama proposing it. See the House Republicans refusing to pass a tax cut this week.
- anamax 15y ago
  > Read the language there, it's all about burdens on illegal immigrants and prerequisites, after which they can get in the back of the line to apply for citizenship. "back of the line"? They're starting in front of everyone who applied to immigrate, didn't get accepted, and waited until they did. Are you really arguing that it isn't amnesty because there are some conditions?
  - jbooth 15y ago
    Anything that takes over a decade to successfully execute isn't quite "amnesty" by my definition. "Amnesty" is like "Hey, you're good to go!". Amnesty International isn't campaigning for prisoners to be released "about 10 years from now".
    - anamax 15y ago
      There's no "decade to successfully execute" - they get legal resident status immediately after "touching base" (at most). But, you know this. Yes, they get to wait to be eligible for citizenship, just like every other legal immigrant. Are you seriously arguing that not letting them jump that line is punishment?