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>So it's your desire to consign the Indian would-be immigrant to a life of poverty just to make sure your wage stays above $150k/year The reality is that the g

>So it's your desire to consign the Indian would-be immigrant to a life of poverty just to make sure your wage stays above $150k/year The reality is that the government will make policies that favour citizens over foreigners. So yes, it may be someone's desire to cosign an Indian would-be immigrant to a life of poverty just to keep their wage stable. We're already doing that by not taking in unlimited immigrants from, say, war-torn Africa. >But as long as you are happy with me shipping jobs to India, I guess it's all good. Skilled immigration has nothing to do with offshoring.

sp332 15y ago
We already have tons of refugees in the USA. In New Hampshire for example (a very libertarian state, with not much sympathy for socialist programs), we have a large contingent of Somali refugees. They are not skilled workers. I'm not saying everything has gone smoothly, but they have been made welcome by their new neighbors. I think charity (giving something to people who don't seem to deserve it) is much more palatable here than entitlement (giving something to people who think they do deserve it).
yummyfajitas 15y ago
Skilled immigration has nothing to do with offshoring. Sure it does. Both are methods of tapping into the labor pool overseas. We're already doing that by not taking in unlimited immigrants from, say, war-torn Africa. Very true. Our unwillingness to take on more refugees has resulted in thousands of people being tortured, raped and murdered. Are you advocating this policy?
- prodigal_erik 15y ago
  Most African cultures have not completed the demographic transition. Until that happens somehow, those cultures will exceed the carrying capacity of any environment, and war over inadequate resources. With unlimited immigration, the billion in Africa would continue moving until America became equally inhospitable. If anything, our population is already too high, verging on disposable "life is cheap" levels. We haven't learned to make a civilization that values individuals and treats them decently, except when they are scarce enough that resources are going underused (making it clear to everyone that we benefit from their presence).
- cousin_it 15y ago
  > Very true. Our unwillingness to take on more refugees has resulted in thousands of people being tortured, raped and murdered. Are you advocating this policy? If you advocate a general policy of unselfishness, please send all your money here: http://givewell.org/international/top-charities/AMF#Whatdoyougetforyourdollar http://givewell.org/international/top-charities/AMF#Whatdoyo... Every 2000 dollars donated saves a human life.

sp332 15y ago

We already have tons of refugees in the USA. In New Hampshire for example (a very libertarian state, with not much sympathy for socialist programs), we have a large contingent of Somali refugees. They are not skilled workers. I'm not saying everything has gone smoothly, but they have been made welcome by their new neighbors. I think charity (giving something to people who don't seem to deserve it) is much more palatable here than entitlement (giving something to people who think they do deserve it).

yummyfajitas 15y ago

Skilled immigration has nothing to do with offshoring. Sure it does. Both are methods of tapping into the labor pool overseas. We're already doing that by not taking in unlimited immigrants from, say, war-torn Africa. Very true. Our unwillingness to take on more refugees has resulted in thousands of people being tortured, raped and murdered. Are you advocating this policy?

prodigal_erik 15y ago
Most African cultures have not completed the demographic transition. Until that happens somehow, those cultures will exceed the carrying capacity of any environment, and war over inadequate resources. With unlimited immigration, the billion in Africa would continue moving until America became equally inhospitable. If anything, our population is already too high, verging on disposable "life is cheap" levels. We haven't learned to make a civilization that values individuals and treats them decently, except when they are scarce enough that resources are going underused (making it clear to everyone that we benefit from their presence).
cousin_it 15y ago
> Very true. Our unwillingness to take on more refugees has resulted in thousands of people being tortured, raped and murdered. Are you advocating this policy? If you advocate a general policy of unselfishness, please send all your money here: http://givewell.org/international/top-charities/AMF#Whatdoyougetforyourdollar http://givewell.org/international/top-charities/AMF#Whatdoyo... Every 2000 dollars donated saves a human life.