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> As the world gets richer, people eat more meat. Living in central Berlin (Mitte), one of the most expensive parts of the city, it feels the opposite is happe

> As the world gets richer, people eat more meat. Living in central Berlin (Mitte), one of the most expensive parts of the city, it feels the opposite is happening. Everything here is vegan or vegetarian at least. Even a steak place next door to where I live has vegan plates. On that note: it made me sad that all the dramatic changes you listed omitted the suffering of animals.

eloff 4y ago
What it feels like and the story the data tell are two different things. The data is unambiguous, the richer the country, the higher the per-capita meat consumption. Meat consumption in the world is rising rapidly.
BoorishBears 4y ago
That's because you're likely part of the disconnected 1%, even if you're nowhere near that relative to others in your country. People think of robber barons twirling the mustaches when they picture the 1%, but for global topics, the 1% even includes people who are considered "poor" by western standards. And, like the robber barons twirling mustaches people picture for their local 1%, you can't extrapolate any good data off of them. - People in the west are so wealthy that choosing to be vegan has become a status symbol, but when you hear "world gets richer", you need to be picturing people who can't afford a choice. Both my parents grew up in villages where beef was like a few-times-a-year luxury, and of course as their villages have gotten more and more modernized, newer generations can't even imagine such a thing. Now their country has KFCs...
- virtualritz 4y ago
  I think you misread my comment. It was meant exactly as written. "It feels". It is factually not so and I didn't contest the OPs assertion. However, many things that are now common where adapted by the broad populace because they wanted to copy/be as fancy as the 1%. On of the most prominent examples is probably the British accent. ;)
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    I think you misread mine. It's explaining why you can feel that way while OPs assertion is true. It's not claiming you contested anything. You feel that way because you're disconnected from the poor being referenced by "living in central Berlin"
jononomo 4y ago
There is no suffering necessarily involved in the raising of animals for meat. A cow raised for beef does not suffer, for instance.

eloff 4y ago

What it feels like and the story the data tell are two different things. The data is unambiguous, the richer the country, the higher the per-capita meat consumption. Meat consumption in the world is rising rapidly.

BoorishBears 4y ago

That's because you're likely part of the disconnected 1%, even if you're nowhere near that relative to others in your country. People think of robber barons twirling the mustaches when they picture the 1%, but for global topics, the 1% even includes people who are considered "poor" by western standards. And, like the robber barons twirling mustaches people picture for their local 1%, you can't extrapolate any good data off of them. - People in the west are so wealthy that choosing to be vegan has become a status symbol, but when you hear "world gets richer", you need to be picturing people who can't afford a choice. Both my parents grew up in villages where beef was like a few-times-a-year luxury, and of course as their villages have gotten more and more modernized, newer generations can't even imagine such a thing. Now their country has KFCs...

virtualritz 4y ago
I think you misread my comment. It was meant exactly as written. "It feels". It is factually not so and I didn't contest the OPs assertion. However, many things that are now common where adapted by the broad populace because they wanted to copy/be as fancy as the 1%. On of the most prominent examples is probably the British accent. ;)
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  I think you misread mine. It's explaining why you can feel that way while OPs assertion is true. It's not claiming you contested anything. You feel that way because you're disconnected from the poor being referenced by "living in central Berlin"

jononomo 4y ago

There is no suffering necessarily involved in the raising of animals for meat. A cow raised for beef does not suffer, for instance.