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1) Importing skilled immigrants is like exporting jobs because most of these people go back to their own countries, and those who stay take the place of a US ci

1) Importing skilled immigrants is like exporting jobs because most of these people go back to their own countries, and those who stay take the place of a US citizen who could have had the job, if our education system was better and our government's policies were otherwise aligned with the welfare of its people. 2) All routine immigration should be immediately stopped, and indefinitely kept that way. Exceptions should be made only for the few, true geniuses who could definitely benefit the US in a big way. http://youtube.com/watch?v=9PpaoZE8oXk http://youtube.com/watch?v=9PpaoZE8oXk NumbersUSA - Immigration by the Numbers - Part 2 of 2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=XyTmClBU7nA http://youtube.com/watch?v=XyTmClBU7nA NumbersUSA - Immigration by the Numbers - Part 1 of 2 http://NumbersUSA.com http://NumbersUSA.com

zeteo 15y ago
> immigrants [...] who stay take the place of a US citizen who could have had the job, if our education system was better and our government's policies were otherwise aligned with the welfare of its people. All routine immigration should be immediately stopped, and indefinitely kept that way Yes, and to be consistent also ban imports. Each suitcase produced abroad takes the place of one that could have been produced in the US, if the manufacturing industry was better and governmental policies were aligned with the interests of blue collar workers. I mean, North Korea is so successful, there's no reason to not emulate their economic policies!
rubashov 15y ago
The "utilitarian" case for halting immigration is obvious to me. But utilitarian arguments are what the pro-immigration people use, too. I find it interesting that nobody ever talks about national solidarity anymore when discussing immigration. It seems taken for granted that the USA is not a real nation, a real "people". It's just some sort of bazaar for various people with nothing in common to do business, so let in the hordes to do business. No need to worry about literally millions of people coming here without strong loyalties and intent to fully and permanently assimilate.
opinali 15y ago
Your major mistake (and there are many...) is believing that only "true geniuses" bring great benefit to the country. For every Sergey Brin who can create Google, there is a thousand of engineers who can "only" implement Google; if the latter are too rare or too expensive, the great innovators or entrepreneurs (either immigrant or native) may not have much success... also, very rarely a "true genius" possesses that status before immigrating. Albert Einstein was already a Nobel Prize winner before coming to the US, both that's the exception not the rule. (And he only settled in the US due to Hitler and the war... most people of a certain age, already successful and wealthy, don't bother with the pain of immigration.) Sergey's family would only qualify as "regular" H1B-class immigrants (a Math teacher and a climate scientist). Finally, it's very funny how people like you are favorable to a closed working market (let's say this is possible) but an open, fair and competitive market for everything else. Will you be happy if all foreign countries fight back with unfair commercial practices? This is not a theoretical question, as you already have at least one important commercial partner that's strong and ingenious enough to screw you -- China -- and this is apparently bad enough already. The fact is, the globalization cat is out of the bag and there's no way back, and no way to play only half of the music.

zeteo 15y ago

> immigrants [...] who stay take the place of a US citizen who could have had the job, if our education system was better and our government's policies were otherwise aligned with the welfare of its people. All routine immigration should be immediately stopped, and indefinitely kept that way Yes, and to be consistent also ban imports. Each suitcase produced abroad takes the place of one that could have been produced in the US, if the manufacturing industry was better and governmental policies were aligned with the interests of blue collar workers. I mean, North Korea is so successful, there's no reason to not emulate their economic policies!

rubashov 15y ago

The "utilitarian" case for halting immigration is obvious to me. But utilitarian arguments are what the pro-immigration people use, too. I find it interesting that nobody ever talks about national solidarity anymore when discussing immigration. It seems taken for granted that the USA is not a real nation, a real "people". It's just some sort of bazaar for various people with nothing in common to do business, so let in the hordes to do business. No need to worry about literally millions of people coming here without strong loyalties and intent to fully and permanently assimilate.

opinali 15y ago

Your major mistake (and there are many...) is believing that only "true geniuses" bring great benefit to the country. For every Sergey Brin who can create Google, there is a thousand of engineers who can "only" implement Google; if the latter are too rare or too expensive, the great innovators or entrepreneurs (either immigrant or native) may not have much success... also, very rarely a "true genius" possesses that status before immigrating. Albert Einstein was already a Nobel Prize winner before coming to the US, both that's the exception not the rule. (And he only settled in the US due to Hitler and the war... most people of a certain age, already successful and wealthy, don't bother with the pain of immigration.) Sergey's family would only qualify as "regular" H1B-class immigrants (a Math teacher and a climate scientist). Finally, it's very funny how people like you are favorable to a closed working market (let's say this is possible) but an open, fair and competitive market for everything else. Will you be happy if all foreign countries fight back with unfair commercial practices? This is not a theoretical question, as you already have at least one important commercial partner that's strong and ingenious enough to screw you -- China -- and this is apparently bad enough already. The fact is, the globalization cat is out of the bag and there's no way back, and no way to play only half of the music.