> I have little patience with vegans who refuse to differentiate between these two types of meat production on ethical grounds. However if everything moves to t

> I have little patience with vegans who refuse to differentiate between these two types of meat production on ethical grounds. However if everything moves to the latter ethical and healthy production system, meat will be more expensive and less of a 'daily staple' - and there's nothing wrong with that dietary switch, it's better for everyone. As a vegan, myself and most/all of my friends would agree that some hunting is good. For example, where I am deer need to be hunted, b/c humans replaced their natural predators and they are overpopulated, causing issues such as disease etc.. Personally I do not want to be the one hunting deer, but I have no issue with it. Factory farming is a completely other level from hunting. If we were only allowed to eat meat we personally caught from wild animals... well, yeah, that'd probably be pretty solid... The problem is even "ethical" farming is pretty rough on animals and rough on the environment. It isn't "natural" at all, even if you are putting them in a field outside rather than crammed into a barn.