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If you don’t believe this is in response to protest then how do you explain it being rushed out ONLY IN CHINA?

2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
I said "This is not in response to this particular protest." This already existed. They did not see the current protest and then suddenly released it.
- fishywang 4y ago
  Nothing in the original tweet suggested it to be in response to this _particular_ protest either. There have been protests via airdrop in china for months.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
    I think it could be interpreted that they pushed it out because of these protests. Most people won’t know about the feature until it matters and it’s too late.
lopkeny12ko 4y ago
When you work on software available globally, it's very normal to deploy or roll out features region-by-region. This seems par for the course.
- gtirloni 4y ago
  If they rolled it out to China first, that's a pretty huge region to start with if you want to test something isn't broken.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  The article I linked says "The setting was reportedly added after protesters in the country used AirDrop to spread anti-government material." Most other articles also mention this. I'm not unconvinced this had nothing to do with the feature. I'm just pointing out that this was already in the works. This was not a fast reaction to the current protests. I don't think this is good. But Apple didn't just roll this out at a whim.
  - kelnos 4y ago
    I'm curious what they mean by "was reportedly added". "Reported" by whom? What is the source for this information? I think the timing and China-only bit is eyebrow-raising, but it'd be nice to know if this is just speculation, or if there's a credible source within Apple that's saying this is the reason why it was rolled out in China right now.
  - khazhoux 4y ago
    > The setting was reportedly added after protesters in the country used AirDrop to spread anti-government material "Event A happened after Event B", is the only thing we can infer from this.
- kelnos 4y ago
  Right, and usually you roll out first to a smaller region, perhaps in a place where you have customers you don't care about as much for some reason. I don't think China is that region.
altairprime 4y ago
No one can explain the confidential-NDA internal workings of Apple in this forum, but here’s a constructed, plausible, scenario that contradicts the claim “Apple implemented this for China”: If Apple was planning to release this in a point release of iOS 16, and then the Chinese government asked them to do something, then they could have said: “We have a feature in testing that we’d planned to ship later this cycle, so we’ll push that up and soft launch it in China first and then roll it out worldwide once any bugs are hammered out.” This constructed example both satisfies the condition “why China first?” and also contradicts the assertion “it is certain that Apple implemented this at China’s request”. It is not known whether or not, and to what degree, that Apple considered and/or acted upon a request from China. (It is also very unlikely that China requested this “after 10 minutes” option specifically. China would rather not have unmonitored peer-to-peer communications, and Apple tends to include temporary timers in their UI for RF/GPS features.)

I said "This is not in response to this particular protest." This already existed. They did not see the current protest and then suddenly released it.

fishywang 4y ago
Nothing in the original tweet suggested it to be in response to this _particular_ protest either. There have been protests via airdrop in china for months.
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  I think it could be interpreted that they pushed it out because of these protests. Most people won’t know about the feature until it matters and it’s too late.

lopkeny12ko 4y ago

When you work on software available globally, it's very normal to deploy or roll out features region-by-region. This seems par for the course.

gtirloni 4y ago
If they rolled it out to China first, that's a pretty huge region to start with if you want to test something isn't broken.
2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
The article I linked says "The setting was reportedly added after protesters in the country used AirDrop to spread anti-government material." Most other articles also mention this. I'm not unconvinced this had nothing to do with the feature. I'm just pointing out that this was already in the works. This was not a fast reaction to the current protests. I don't think this is good. But Apple didn't just roll this out at a whim.
- kelnos 4y ago
  I'm curious what they mean by "was reportedly added". "Reported" by whom? What is the source for this information? I think the timing and China-only bit is eyebrow-raising, but it'd be nice to know if this is just speculation, or if there's a credible source within Apple that's saying this is the reason why it was rolled out in China right now.
- khazhoux 4y ago
  > The setting was reportedly added after protesters in the country used AirDrop to spread anti-government material "Event A happened after Event B", is the only thing we can infer from this.
kelnos 4y ago
Right, and usually you roll out first to a smaller region, perhaps in a place where you have customers you don't care about as much for some reason. I don't think China is that region.

altairprime 4y ago

No one can explain the confidential-NDA internal workings of Apple in this forum, but here’s a constructed, plausible, scenario that contradicts the claim “Apple implemented this for China”: If Apple was planning to release this in a point release of iOS 16, and then the Chinese government asked them to do something, then they could have said: “We have a feature in testing that we’d planned to ship later this cycle, so we’ll push that up and soft launch it in China first and then roll it out worldwide once any bugs are hammered out.” This constructed example both satisfies the condition “why China first?” and also contradicts the assertion “it is certain that Apple implemented this at China’s request”. It is not known whether or not, and to what degree, that Apple considered and/or acted upon a request from China. (It is also very unlikely that China requested this “after 10 minutes” option specifically. China would rather not have unmonitored peer-to-peer communications, and Apple tends to include temporary timers in their UI for RF/GPS features.)