4 ms·

* Apple is not a green company * Apple is not a free speech advocate * Apple builds their products with unethical labor

kmeisthax 4y ago
Neither is Tesla. Musk does not give a shit about the free speech of left-wingers. Tesla's also even more in bed with China than Apple is; both in terms of exploitative labor practices and China owning their demand. And electric vehicles are just a way to greenwash suburbs. EDIT: Nevermind, I got confused with another thread that was talking about Tesla. Leaving this comment up for posterity.
- mym1990 4y ago
  Musk showed some true colors with the Twitter debacle, my interest in buying a Tesla went from an 8/10 to a 0.
jansan 4y ago
Apple is about money, nothing else. Look at their quarterly reports, they are not a byproduct of a higher ethics or anything
- slig 4y ago
  But, hey, at least they removed the phone charger and there's no plastic inside their product's boxes.
- xpe 4y ago
  Nothing else? The profit motive ("money") drives a _lot_, but does not explain everything. Different companies make different trade-offs; there are various ways to optimize profit for different audiences with different risk profiles. My point? Don't oversimplify. Few (any?) people here are claiming that ethics are the key driver. We know the PR and ads are a veneer. But there is no need to exaggerate. It is clear that in addition to making money, Apple wants to project a certain brand and ethos, not to mention a penchant for big moves. At times, they are willing to risk some profit in order to invest in, say, a new processor technology. WRT "explanation" / ie interpreting the why behind actions ... Not all large companies make those kind of investments or take these kind of risks. Saying "money" is the only driver fails to account for much of Apple's storied history. Not to mention prediction... Saying that the profit motive is the best or only way to explain Apple (and many other companies) defies multivariate statistics and won't serve well to predict the future.
racl101 4y ago
Technically speaking none of these giant corporations are "our friend". They are with the people until their bottom line is impacted / threatened. Frankly, I'm not surprised.

Neither is Tesla. Musk does not give a shit about the free speech of left-wingers. Tesla's also even more in bed with China than Apple is; both in terms of exploitative labor practices and China owning their demand. And electric vehicles are just a way to greenwash suburbs. EDIT: Nevermind, I got confused with another thread that was talking about Tesla. Leaving this comment up for posterity.

mym1990 4y ago
Musk showed some true colors with the Twitter debacle, my interest in buying a Tesla went from an 8/10 to a 0.

jansan 4y ago

Apple is about money, nothing else. Look at their quarterly reports, they are not a byproduct of a higher ethics or anything

slig 4y ago
But, hey, at least they removed the phone charger and there's no plastic inside their product's boxes.
xpe 4y ago
Nothing else? The profit motive ("money") drives a _lot_, but does not explain everything. Different companies make different trade-offs; there are various ways to optimize profit for different audiences with different risk profiles. My point? Don't oversimplify. Few (any?) people here are claiming that ethics are the key driver. We know the PR and ads are a veneer. But there is no need to exaggerate. It is clear that in addition to making money, Apple wants to project a certain brand and ethos, not to mention a penchant for big moves. At times, they are willing to risk some profit in order to invest in, say, a new processor technology. WRT "explanation" / ie interpreting the why behind actions ... Not all large companies make those kind of investments or take these kind of risks. Saying "money" is the only driver fails to account for much of Apple's storied history. Not to mention prediction... Saying that the profit motive is the best or only way to explain Apple (and many other companies) defies multivariate statistics and won't serve well to predict the future.

racl101 4y ago

Technically speaking none of these giant corporations are "our friend". They are with the people until their bottom line is impacted / threatened. Frankly, I'm not surprised.