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>You are suggesting a cause-and-effect that is nonsense. Make an unreliable 4WD with great supply chain, and they won’t sell. So you're calling Jeep reliable?

>You are suggesting a cause-and-effect that is nonsense. Make an unreliable 4WD with great supply chain, and they won’t sell. So you're calling Jeep reliable? That's surprising coming from someone who's clearly drank the Toyota koolaid. >“Toyota’s Tacoma and Highlander are also on the low-cost leaderboard These are not low cost vehicles. That's just farcical. Furthermore, Toyota specifically avoids running good financing deals in the NA market for brand image reasons and to manipulate the secondary (used) market (basically to keep low class people from getting their hands on them and over time dumping a bunch of trashed examples on the used market dragging down the brand image e.g. Nissan Altima). Per your commentary this has clearly been very effective.

selimthegrim 4y ago
You must be joking - do you know how many trashed 90s-00s Corollas you see tooling around New Orleans
robocat 4y ago
To me those appear to be more non-sequitur arguments. And I am not from the USA, so your comments are parochially myopic. > So you're calling Jeep reliable? Jesus no. I remember an acquaintance taking his 4WD Jeep out mud-plugging: clutch stopped working because the slave cylinder cracked — cylinder cracked because the clutch slave cylinder was poorly made and it was made out of plastic. More importantly, 4WD vehicles that sell to urban purchasers in the USA mean nothing to the context of relying on a 4WD in remote areas. Down under, Toyota is popular in outback Australia, where an unreliable vehicle is a big problem and potentially could kill you. Toyota is also popular for their reliability on farms in New Zealand (even though farms in New Zealand are mostly not so remote that reliability is a safety issue). > low cost vehicles Admittedly unclear, but the quotes from the linked article are talking about low cost maintenance; nothing to do purchase price. The article is obviously predominantly urban USA, because that was the only factual source I could find that wasn’t just opinion. Maintenance costs are a proxy measurement for reliability. Often maintenance costs are dominated by hours worked in my experience, so “cheap” parts cannot explain why older Toyota vehicles remain cheaper to maintain.

selimthegrim 4y ago

You must be joking - do you know how many trashed 90s-00s Corollas you see tooling around New Orleans

robocat 4y ago

To me those appear to be more non-sequitur arguments. And I am not from the USA, so your comments are parochially myopic. > So you're calling Jeep reliable? Jesus no. I remember an acquaintance taking his 4WD Jeep out mud-plugging: clutch stopped working because the slave cylinder cracked — cylinder cracked because the clutch slave cylinder was poorly made and it was made out of plastic. More importantly, 4WD vehicles that sell to urban purchasers in the USA mean nothing to the context of relying on a 4WD in remote areas. Down under, Toyota is popular in outback Australia, where an unreliable vehicle is a big problem and potentially could kill you. Toyota is also popular for their reliability on farms in New Zealand (even though farms in New Zealand are mostly not so remote that reliability is a safety issue). > low cost vehicles Admittedly unclear, but the quotes from the linked article are talking about low cost maintenance; nothing to do purchase price. The article is obviously predominantly urban USA, because that was the only factual source I could find that wasn’t just opinion. Maintenance costs are a proxy measurement for reliability. Often maintenance costs are dominated by hours worked in my experience, so “cheap” parts cannot explain why older Toyota vehicles remain cheaper to maintain.