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Hard pass. Let's see some long-term (10 years) test data first (e.g., how does it effect things like muscle growth/retention, fat growth/loss, cell function, ca

Hard pass. Let's see some long-term (10 years) test data first (e.g., how does it effect things like muscle growth/retention, fat growth/loss, cell function, cancer promotion/prevention etc). I'd put this stuff on the same level as any mass-produced junk (HFCS, seed oils, etc) that has already been proven to be harmful to humans long-term as a cautious default.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
Seed oils being unhealthy is quackery. https://www.the-nutrivore.com/post/a-comprehensive-rebuttal-to-seed-oil-sophistry https://www.the-nutrivore.com/post/a-comprehensive-rebuttal-... They improve health outcomes when put to the test, especially when replacing saturated fat.
- algoatecorn 4y ago
  Yep, and funny enough, if you plot seed oil consumption along with total calorie consumption and obesity, the answer is obvious. We just eat too much, and cooking oils' 9cal/gram really sneak up on people who don't pay attention.
- rglover 4y ago
  I'll give it a read but a quick look at this fella and his "thing" and he's clearly on a crusade: https://www.the-nutrivore.com/blog https://www.the-nutrivore.com/blog. Not outright dismissing this (I will read it because I'd like to be better informed and wrap my head around his stance) but that his main offering is debate training and not targeted health guidance/planning, it seems highly suspect.
  - rglover 4y ago
    For context, why I added "seed oils" in there. Once I saw the difference between Canola Oil (what I used the most up until I learned) production [1] and Olive Oil production [2], I never went back. For those interested, I also use tallow and coconut oil. I found/find it deeply disturbing that they say stuff like Canola is "healthy" when the production process sounds/looks like something you'd expect to describe the pit under a Valvoline. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aieNV3V4b_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aieNV3V4b_s
    - za3faran 4y ago
      I hear avocado oil is supposed to be good as well. What are your thoughts on butter/ghee?
      - rglover 4y ago
        Depends on the flavor I'm going for but I use butter often, too. Ghee I've only tried a few times as a play/test so no real opinion on it.
- artursapek 4y ago
  Wew lad
- markstos 4y ago
  The problem with all processed oils is that all the fiber and the rest have been striped away, leaving only the extremely calorie dense oil. Processed oil like that takes up so little space in the stomach that's not filling, making it easy to eat too much food overall. At least in the US, this is compounded by so many processed foods having added oil as a primary ingredient or a cheap filler. The healthiest way to ingest seed oils is undoubtedly to eat some seeds.
- bobobob420 4y ago
  no one is going to read that blog post and its the same level of quackery as the blog posts that say seed oil is killing our health. "nick is a fomer student of Human Nutritional Science and Linguistics at the University of Manitoba, and he currently works as a nutrition science communicator, creating in-depth blog articles" Not sure why you shared this. maybe you should share actual research or anectdotal evidence by someone who is actually responsible for someone else's health and has yoe.
Kuinox 4y ago
But keep cooking your steak in a pan filled of PTFE
- rglover 4y ago
  I only cook in untreated stainless steel or cast iron for this very reason.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Citing a likely dangerous thing that the FDA doesn't have any objections to is not a good counter.

hombre_fatal 4y ago

Seed oils being unhealthy is quackery. https://www.the-nutrivore.com/post/a-comprehensive-rebuttal-to-seed-oil-sophistry https://www.the-nutrivore.com/post/a-comprehensive-rebuttal-... They improve health outcomes when put to the test, especially when replacing saturated fat.

algoatecorn 4y ago
Yep, and funny enough, if you plot seed oil consumption along with total calorie consumption and obesity, the answer is obvious. We just eat too much, and cooking oils' 9cal/gram really sneak up on people who don't pay attention.
rglover 4y ago
I'll give it a read but a quick look at this fella and his "thing" and he's clearly on a crusade: https://www.the-nutrivore.com/blog https://www.the-nutrivore.com/blog. Not outright dismissing this (I will read it because I'd like to be better informed and wrap my head around his stance) but that his main offering is debate training and not targeted health guidance/planning, it seems highly suspect.
- rglover 4y ago
  For context, why I added "seed oils" in there. Once I saw the difference between Canola Oil (what I used the most up until I learned) production [1] and Olive Oil production [2], I never went back. For those interested, I also use tallow and coconut oil. I found/find it deeply disturbing that they say stuff like Canola is "healthy" when the production process sounds/looks like something you'd expect to describe the pit under a Valvoline. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aieNV3V4b_s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aieNV3V4b_s
  - za3faran 4y ago
    I hear avocado oil is supposed to be good as well. What are your thoughts on butter/ghee?
    - rglover 4y ago
      Depends on the flavor I'm going for but I use butter often, too. Ghee I've only tried a few times as a play/test so no real opinion on it.
artursapek 4y ago
Wew lad
markstos 4y ago
The problem with all processed oils is that all the fiber and the rest have been striped away, leaving only the extremely calorie dense oil. Processed oil like that takes up so little space in the stomach that's not filling, making it easy to eat too much food overall. At least in the US, this is compounded by so many processed foods having added oil as a primary ingredient or a cheap filler. The healthiest way to ingest seed oils is undoubtedly to eat some seeds.
bobobob420 4y ago
no one is going to read that blog post and its the same level of quackery as the blog posts that say seed oil is killing our health. "nick is a fomer student of Human Nutritional Science and Linguistics at the University of Manitoba, and he currently works as a nutrition science communicator, creating in-depth blog articles" Not sure why you shared this. maybe you should share actual research or anectdotal evidence by someone who is actually responsible for someone else's health and has yoe.

Kuinox 4y ago

But keep cooking your steak in a pan filled of PTFE

rglover 4y ago
I only cook in untreated stainless steel or cast iron for this very reason.
pessimizer 4y ago
Citing a likely dangerous thing that the FDA doesn't have any objections to is not a good counter.