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Too bad they didn't read these notes before gutting the taskbar in Win11. It's so unusable, so slow when you can't "ungroup" stuff. Made me actually reinstall a

Too bad they didn't read these notes before gutting the taskbar in Win11. It's so unusable, so slow when you can't "ungroup" stuff. Made me actually reinstall and go back to Win10.

lucb1e 4y ago
Or the task bar grouping in Windows 7 that I've found most people actually don't prefer when you reveal that it's optional. A lot of people also like it, maybe as much as 40% or so, but when I look over someone's shoulder (who had been using 7 for ages already) and I wondered out loud how they manage to work with that task bar, they were usually happy to learn of a way to just see open programs instead of having this submenu structure plus a lot of unused task bar space, even if that meant getting used to a new way of working again. Or the joke of a start menu from Windows 8 that presumably Ballmer liked a lot. You even had to make some hidden gesture (swish and flick, professor flitwick would say) to get to the settings only to find the 'shut down' option. Windows 9x was a bit gray but otherwise mostly made sense. Windows 10 seems to have gone back to the state of things at 7, except now the settings are at 200% zoom/whitespace and all over the place and I've heard everyone from beginner to guru wonder where the heck they hid xyz. Windows 11 you've already covered. Precisely this sort of thing is why I wondered in another comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33776750 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33776750) whether this type of testing happens anymore at all, or whether it is constrained in some way.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  > except now the settings are all over the place On Windows 11, it's very rare to have to use the old Control Panel. It still exists for some uncommon settings, but nearly everything has been moved to the new settings. And everything is actually intelligently grouped. I only wish you could have multiple Settings windows open at once.
  - willnonya 4y ago
    That's not really been my experience. I do agree about needing multiple settings windows opened at once, especially when one is already open and you need to open a seemingly unrelated screen and lose your place.
  - lucb1e 4y ago
    They seem to be good at undoing mistakes in the next version five years later. The newly introduced issue in 11 was said to be taskbar grouping, idk I haven't used it myself (yet :( ).
- willnonya 4y ago
  Wi does 8 made sense to me the first time I picked up a surface pro or a windows phone. I cannot think of anything good to say about it in any other context though.
  - lucb1e 4y ago
    Sure, I'm not suggesting we install unmodified ubuntu or windows 7 on phones either. Similarly, win8 on a desktop...
noisem4ker 4y ago
Microsoft might be reimplementing a non-grouping option. It was spotted in a recent development build. https://twitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/1592981617341247490 https://twitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/15929816173412474... > Windows 11 is going to get a "Never Combine" taskbar item setting after all. It no longer features window titles like in Windows 10 & older releases, but retains the icon per window mechanic which some might still find useful. New in build 25246, hidden behind feature 29785186 > This feature is forcibly disabled and even if you do manage to enable it (regular ViVe commands won't do) its code is partially broken. You can notice WinDbg running as a few small patches were needed. No UI for enabling this exists in Settings yet.
- matsemann 4y ago
  Thanks. Looks to me like that while it's ungrouping, it still doesn't display the labels for each window? So you get like 5 similar icons there with no way to discern between them?

Too bad they didn't read these notes before gutting the taskbar in Win11. It's so unusable, so slow when you can't "ungroup" stuff. Made me actually reinstall and go back to Win10.

lucb1e 4y ago

Or the task bar grouping in Windows 7 that I've found most people actually don't prefer when you reveal that it's optional. A lot of people also like it, maybe as much as 40% or so, but when I look over someone's shoulder (who had been using 7 for ages already) and I wondered out loud how they manage to work with that task bar, they were usually happy to learn of a way to just see open programs instead of having this submenu structure plus a lot of unused task bar space, even if that meant getting used to a new way of working again. Or the joke of a start menu from Windows 8 that presumably Ballmer liked a lot. You even had to make some hidden gesture (swish and flick, professor flitwick would say) to get to the settings only to find the 'shut down' option. Windows 9x was a bit gray but otherwise mostly made sense. Windows 10 seems to have gone back to the state of things at 7, except now the settings are at 200% zoom/whitespace and all over the place and I've heard everyone from beginner to guru wonder where the heck they hid xyz. Windows 11 you've already covered. Precisely this sort of thing is why I wondered in another comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33776750 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33776750) whether this type of testing happens anymore at all, or whether it is constrained in some way.

frosted-flakes 4y ago
> except now the settings are all over the place On Windows 11, it's very rare to have to use the old Control Panel. It still exists for some uncommon settings, but nearly everything has been moved to the new settings. And everything is actually intelligently grouped. I only wish you could have multiple Settings windows open at once.
- willnonya 4y ago
  That's not really been my experience. I do agree about needing multiple settings windows opened at once, especially when one is already open and you need to open a seemingly unrelated screen and lose your place.
- lucb1e 4y ago
  They seem to be good at undoing mistakes in the next version five years later. The newly introduced issue in 11 was said to be taskbar grouping, idk I haven't used it myself (yet :( ).
willnonya 4y ago
Wi does 8 made sense to me the first time I picked up a surface pro or a windows phone. I cannot think of anything good to say about it in any other context though.
- lucb1e 4y ago
  Sure, I'm not suggesting we install unmodified ubuntu or windows 7 on phones either. Similarly, win8 on a desktop...

noisem4ker 4y ago

Microsoft might be reimplementing a non-grouping option. It was spotted in a recent development build. https://twitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/1592981617341247490 https://twitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/15929816173412474... > Windows 11 is going to get a "Never Combine" taskbar item setting after all. It no longer features window titles like in Windows 10 & older releases, but retains the icon per window mechanic which some might still find useful. New in build 25246, hidden behind feature 29785186 > This feature is forcibly disabled and even if you do manage to enable it (regular ViVe commands won't do) its code is partially broken. You can notice WinDbg running as a few small patches were needed. No UI for enabling this exists in Settings yet.

matsemann 4y ago
Thanks. Looks to me like that while it's ungrouping, it still doesn't display the labels for each window? So you get like 5 similar icons there with no way to discern between them?