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Nah, considering one has well understood risks and has been practiced for thousands of years, while the other approach is brand new, I think it's reasonable. It

Nah, considering one has well understood risks and has been practiced for thousands of years, while the other approach is brand new, I think it's reasonable. It can also be a selling point for lab-grown meat, the fact that it is safer and free of bacteria.

roflyear 4y ago
Our modern way of raising animals for slaughter is just that - modern. Not thousands of years. We have not been pumping steroids into the meat we eat for thousands of years. We give our food substances that fatten them up as quickly as possible, and we're surprised we're getting fat.
- jodrellblank 4y ago
  We give our food water, but it doesn't quench our thirst. We give our food grass, but it doesn't tear up our teeth. Our food has poop in it, but doesn't taste of poop. Is there any evidence that steroids which are digested by a cow linger in its body as an active substance for years, in a large enough quantity to have a steroid effect after going through another creature's digestive system? Isn't obesity rather well explained by cheap easily available food, carb heavy diet and increasingly sedentary lifestyle? Otherwise, cows grow to much bigger than people, much quicker than people do. Why don't their natural growth hormones affect us in the same way?
  - roflyear 4y ago
    - jodrellblank 4y ago
      If you think asking you to support your claims is "some kind of weird joke", it isn't. Are you basing your claim on evidence? Then link some. US cheese consumption has gone up from 20lbs per person-year in 1975 to almost 40lbs per person-year by 2020[1]. Total dairy consumption up to record high levels from below 550lbs per person-year to over 650lbs per person-year milkfat equivalent. Compared to 1970, Americans average grain eating went from 400 Calories per day to nearly 600. Fats and oils went from ~330 Calories per day to almost 600. Sugars went up, fruit and fruit juices went up. Daily Calorie averages went from eating 2025/day to 2481/day between 1970 and 2010, while beef eating went down.[2] At the same time "Over the last 50 years in the U.S. we estimate that daily occupation-related energy expenditure has decreased by more than 100 calories, and this reduction in energy expenditure accounts for a significant portion of the increase in mean U.S. body weights for women and men."[3] At the same time, TV watching went from 4.5hrs/day in 1950 to nearly 8hrs/day in 2018[4]. "Eating more" and "moving less" is a much better explanation for "we wonder why we are fat" than your explanation. No magical [1] https://www.idfa.org/news/american-dairy-consumption-reaches-all-time-high-cheese-butter-and-yogurt-continue-to-drive-growth-for-dairy-industry https://www.idfa.org/news/american-dairy-consumption-reaches... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/13/whats-on-your-table-how-americas-diet-has-changed-over-the-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/13/whats-on-yo... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102055/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102055/ [4] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-did-tv-watching-peak/561464/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-...

roflyear 4y ago

Our modern way of raising animals for slaughter is just that - modern. Not thousands of years. We have not been pumping steroids into the meat we eat for thousands of years. We give our food substances that fatten them up as quickly as possible, and we're surprised we're getting fat.

jodrellblank 4y ago
We give our food water, but it doesn't quench our thirst. We give our food grass, but it doesn't tear up our teeth. Our food has poop in it, but doesn't taste of poop. Is there any evidence that steroids which are digested by a cow linger in its body as an active substance for years, in a large enough quantity to have a steroid effect after going through another creature's digestive system? Isn't obesity rather well explained by cheap easily available food, carb heavy diet and increasingly sedentary lifestyle? Otherwise, cows grow to much bigger than people, much quicker than people do. Why don't their natural growth hormones affect us in the same way?
- roflyear 4y ago
  - jodrellblank 4y ago
    If you think asking you to support your claims is "some kind of weird joke", it isn't. Are you basing your claim on evidence? Then link some. US cheese consumption has gone up from 20lbs per person-year in 1975 to almost 40lbs per person-year by 2020[1]. Total dairy consumption up to record high levels from below 550lbs per person-year to over 650lbs per person-year milkfat equivalent. Compared to 1970, Americans average grain eating went from 400 Calories per day to nearly 600. Fats and oils went from ~330 Calories per day to almost 600. Sugars went up, fruit and fruit juices went up. Daily Calorie averages went from eating 2025/day to 2481/day between 1970 and 2010, while beef eating went down.[2] At the same time "Over the last 50 years in the U.S. we estimate that daily occupation-related energy expenditure has decreased by more than 100 calories, and this reduction in energy expenditure accounts for a significant portion of the increase in mean U.S. body weights for women and men."[3] At the same time, TV watching went from 4.5hrs/day in 1950 to nearly 8hrs/day in 2018[4]. "Eating more" and "moving less" is a much better explanation for "we wonder why we are fat" than your explanation. No magical [1] https://www.idfa.org/news/american-dairy-consumption-reaches-all-time-high-cheese-butter-and-yogurt-continue-to-drive-growth-for-dairy-industry https://www.idfa.org/news/american-dairy-consumption-reaches... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/13/whats-on-your-table-how-americas-diet-has-changed-over-the-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/13/whats-on-yo... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102055/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3102055/ [4] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-did-tv-watching-peak/561464/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/05/when-...