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>>A comparable modern SUV (2022 Suburban) gets 21 city/27 highway, pretty close to double the mileage you get. Now find a real life 2022 Suburban owner that ac

>>A comparable modern SUV (2022 Suburban) gets 21 city/27 highway, pretty close to double the mileage you get. Now find a real life 2022 Suburban owner that actually gets anywhere near that lab tested mileage. So while I am sure it get better than 12-14, probably closer to 18 in reality but they do that with smaller engines and tubro's which anyone that has any knowledge of mechanical wear will tell you a turbo (or any boosted) engine will wear out ALOT faster than a naturally aspirated engine. It is unlikely a 2022 Suburban;s engine will be running at all in 30 years. hell I would bet it will implode before 15 years

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Now find a real life 2022 Suburban owner that actually gets anywhere near that lab tested mileage. So while I am sure it get better than 12-14, probably closer to 18 in reality Sure, EPA ratings are inflated but you probably get close to 1 mpg over the combined EPA mileage rating of the most efficient version of the 1988 Suburban (and 50% more than your claim before you inflated it once conparative numbers were introduced) in yours. Right... > they do that with smaller engines and tubro's A naturally aspirated 5.3L, no turbos. Its true that one of the 1988s had a 6.2L, but...
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  First I think you have confused me with the Grand Parent Commentor. That said I did go look up the Specs for a 2022, and I have no idea where you got 21/27mpg anyway, the best Chevy lists is 20 Highway with the 6.2L which drops to 14mpg in city because the Active Fuel Management does nothing for city driving Then their is a 5.3L which most suburbans will be outfitted with, which is 15/19 MPG, which as you already conceded is inflated so a real person will likely see 13-14 City and 17-18 Highway in real world, and after 10 years I of ownership I would expect that to drop of to around where the Grand parent claims their 30 year old suburban is at anyway
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    The size of the Suburban is considerably larger than the Land Cruiser. A comparably sized Chevy does in fact get considerably better gas mileage.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      >The size of the Suburban is considerably larger than the Land Cruiser. Ok, and? The comment i was responding to was comparing a 1988 Suburban to a 2022 Suburban, The fact that chevy makes smaller SUV's that are more inline with a Land Cruiser that also get batter mileage has no relevance to the comments I was replying to
      - miguelazo 4y ago
        Fair. But the 1988 to 2022 trajectory also includes significant increases in size and horsepower. Not that those are good things.
    - qdog 4y ago
      Gas Suburban small v8 is 15/20, which is better than the 88, but still abysmal in general. Previous year Toyota Sequoia (more comparable than a cruiser), got a combined 15mpg, which is what I generally get in a decade old Tundra. The 23 models from Toyota have a hybrid with a turbo and are rated 21/24, which is still pretty bad. I'd personally love an electric truck, but I don't have 80k sitting around for one at the moment. While the wrenching crowd still has some time, I do wonder how long gas vehicles will be a viable option. A gas station near me just got razed, my wife has an EV, and at some point it won't be profitable to maintain all the gas stations we have.
      - phpisthebest 4y ago
        >> I do wonder how long gas vehicles will be a viable option Many many decades, they are not going away anytime soon
        4y ago
toast0 4y ago
> that actually gets anywhere near that lab tested mileage Sure, but when VW sold cars that got over lab tested mileage they got in all sorts of trouble. :P

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Now find a real life 2022 Suburban owner that actually gets anywhere near that lab tested mileage. So while I am sure it get better than 12-14, probably closer to 18 in reality Sure, EPA ratings are inflated but you probably get close to 1 mpg over the combined EPA mileage rating of the most efficient version of the 1988 Suburban (and 50% more than your claim before you inflated it once conparative numbers were introduced) in yours. Right... > they do that with smaller engines and tubro's A naturally aspirated 5.3L, no turbos. Its true that one of the 1988s had a 6.2L, but...

phpisthebest 4y ago
First I think you have confused me with the Grand Parent Commentor. That said I did go look up the Specs for a 2022, and I have no idea where you got 21/27mpg anyway, the best Chevy lists is 20 Highway with the 6.2L which drops to 14mpg in city because the Active Fuel Management does nothing for city driving Then their is a 5.3L which most suburbans will be outfitted with, which is 15/19 MPG, which as you already conceded is inflated so a real person will likely see 13-14 City and 17-18 Highway in real world, and after 10 years I of ownership I would expect that to drop of to around where the Grand parent claims their 30 year old suburban is at anyway
- miguelazo 4y ago
  The size of the Suburban is considerably larger than the Land Cruiser. A comparably sized Chevy does in fact get considerably better gas mileage.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    >The size of the Suburban is considerably larger than the Land Cruiser. Ok, and? The comment i was responding to was comparing a 1988 Suburban to a 2022 Suburban, The fact that chevy makes smaller SUV's that are more inline with a Land Cruiser that also get batter mileage has no relevance to the comments I was replying to
    - miguelazo 4y ago
      Fair. But the 1988 to 2022 trajectory also includes significant increases in size and horsepower. Not that those are good things.
  - qdog 4y ago
    Gas Suburban small v8 is 15/20, which is better than the 88, but still abysmal in general. Previous year Toyota Sequoia (more comparable than a cruiser), got a combined 15mpg, which is what I generally get in a decade old Tundra. The 23 models from Toyota have a hybrid with a turbo and are rated 21/24, which is still pretty bad. I'd personally love an electric truck, but I don't have 80k sitting around for one at the moment. While the wrenching crowd still has some time, I do wonder how long gas vehicles will be a viable option. A gas station near me just got razed, my wife has an EV, and at some point it won't be profitable to maintain all the gas stations we have.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      >> I do wonder how long gas vehicles will be a viable option Many many decades, they are not going away anytime soon
      - 4y ago

toast0 4y ago

> that actually gets anywhere near that lab tested mileage Sure, but when VW sold cars that got over lab tested mileage they got in all sorts of trouble. :P