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I suppose the UK government could choose to use this line of argument combined with the 2016 Psychoactive Substances act to ban spicy curries: https://www.gov.u

by hbrav 4y ago

I suppose the UK government could choose to use this line of argument combined with the 2016 Psychoactive Substances act to ban spicy curries: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/psychoactive-substances-act-2016-guidance-for-researchers/psychoactive-substances-act-2016-guidance-for-researchers https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/psychoactive-subs...

snoot 4y ago
It would be hard to ban a national dish.
- BaronVonSteuben 4y ago
  Won't somebody please think of the children??
  - ispo 4y ago
    What is wrong with my kid eating curry?
    - c7DJTLrn 4y ago
      It's a joke about how the UK government pushes incredibly authoritarian laws using the safety of children as a trojan horse.
      - ispo 4y ago
        Oh such a good joke!!!! Thanks for showing me the twist. I remember the funny safety conversations at tennis matches after a few drops of rain.
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
        Turns out just about everybody, all around the world, loves authoritarian laws when they agree with the alleged goal, or when the psychological propaganda worked on them. If it's not the children, it's grandma, or someone else. Turns out there are a small number of actual anti-authoritarians who have always been consistent. And then there are countless hangers-on who proclaim to be an anti-authoritarian resistance when it suits them. It's funny, the fact people co-opt it shows that they see it as a noble and worthy ideology, yet it's still one they're happy to discard the minute some talking head put on TV by a corporation tells them to be outraged.
        revolvingocelot 4y ago
        I'd love to be put in contact with some of these true Scotsmen^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H anti-authoritarians. I need staunch moral support in my tireless, lonely fight against the soulless minions of orthodoxy who blithely kowtow to the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 [0]. My perfectly fine produce deserves the embrace of the free market; it isn't up to some pencil-pusher in Washington to have the final say in how much lead there is in a tomato, it's between God, Man, and the Invisible Hand. Are you one of the countless hangers-on who proclaim to be an anti-authoritarian resistance when it suits them? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Food_and_Drug_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Food_and_Drug_Act
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
        Phew, well I'm glad somebody is thinking of the children. Thank you for your service :) Sorry if I hit a nerve.
        revolvingocelot 4y ago
        >>>just about everybody, all around the world, loves authoritarian laws when they agree with the alleged goal, or when the psychological propaganda worked on them You made a really strong claim in the post I'm quoting, and suggested that you are among those hardcore anti-authoritarians whom you lionize. But this is a real(ish) world example of that belief being challenged, and instead of explaining your principled stance, you're playin' around; you suggested you had "hit a nerve". Ah, right, I guess I'm just too emotional. Gotta stand up for what's right! No, not like that. Of course I'm being facetious about my leaden tomatoes, but so too are you, and other readers of these words should think about how the "anti-authoritarians" actually practice their claimed stances, and where they don't.
        monort 4y ago
        Non-authoritarian solution is to have certification. It will be up to consumer to buy only food certified by PureFood.
  - TurkishPoptart 4y ago
    It's too bad you're getting downvoted. This is an obvious and appropriate Simpsons' quote
nonameiguess 4y ago
That link says nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, medicines, and anything that is a food is exempt. That would seem to include capsaicin, along with other stuff like Robitussin and nutmeg that can potentially be hallucinogenic if you megadose them.
- voxic11 4y ago
  It defines food as: > Any substance which— (a) is ordinarily consumed as food, and (b) does not contain a prohibited ingredient > In this paragraph— “food” includes drink; “prohibited ingredient”, in relation to a substance, means any psychoactive substance— (a) which is not naturally occurring in the substance, and (b) the use of which in or on food is not authorised by an EU instrument. So it sounds like Capsaicin produced naturally in things like hot peppers would be fine. But artificially produced Capsaicin added to food might not be.
  - 9wzYQbTYsAIc 4y ago
    Sensation is not perception. To be psychoactive, capsaicin would need to warp your perceptions, rather than solely induce the sensation of burning pain.
    - voxic11 4y ago
      As the original article notes it does appear to have a psychoactive effect beyond the sensation of burning pain (though if a sensation of pleasure is a psychoactive effect why wouldn't a sensation of pain be?). I found additional sources going into the likely pharmacology of this effect: > Namely, capsaicin and vanillin (and anandamide itself) are all agonists of the TRPV1 receptor, which stimulates production and release of endogenous anandamide. When mixed with N-linoleoylethanolamide and N-oleoylethanolamide from cacao, which inhibit anandamide breakdown, the levels of endogenous anandamide are augmented further. When breakdown of anandamide is inhibited pharmacologically or genetically, anandamide is able to produce a state of intoxication similar to tetrahydrocannabinol in rodents and nonhuman primates https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6706955/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6706955/
Moissanite 4y ago
I predict a riot.
c7DJTLrn 4y ago
One of the most stupid and authoritarian laws to exist. Although, you don't hear of 13-year-olds doing random chemicals bought for a tenner from headshops and dying anymore. They're just sold as the more popular drugs. The war on drugs is going about as well as Russia's war on Ukraine.
- dekken_ 4y ago
  And if you read into it you see that it was brought about to subjugate some voting demographics https://www.vera.org/reimagining-prison-webumentary/the-past-is-never-dead/drug-war-confessional https://www.vera.org/reimagining-prison-webumentary/the-past... Whether this is true or not, it's certainly enraging.
  - klondike_klive 4y ago
    Your last line could be the epithet for our times!
    - dekken_ 4y ago
      I owe much of my personality to Chris Morris ;)
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
    In the UK you don't lose your voting rights after a conviction. That is specific to the USA, where you lose a bunch of rights if you are a felon.
    - t-3 4y ago
      Most US states don't remove the right to vote from a felon unless they are incarcerated or on parole (and many not even then). Employment discrimination is generally more of an issue than civil rights for felons, because almost noone supports hiring felons anywhere.
      - 4y ago
bitL 4y ago
Wasn't Dave's Insanity Sauce banned in the EU for a while?

by hbrav 4y ago

snoot 4y ago

It would be hard to ban a national dish.

BaronVonSteuben 4y ago
Won't somebody please think of the children??
- ispo 4y ago
  What is wrong with my kid eating curry?
  - c7DJTLrn 4y ago
    It's a joke about how the UK government pushes incredibly authoritarian laws using the safety of children as a trojan horse.
    - ispo 4y ago
      Oh such a good joke!!!! Thanks for showing me the twist. I remember the funny safety conversations at tennis matches after a few drops of rain.
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      Turns out just about everybody, all around the world, loves authoritarian laws when they agree with the alleged goal, or when the psychological propaganda worked on them. If it's not the children, it's grandma, or someone else. Turns out there are a small number of actual anti-authoritarians who have always been consistent. And then there are countless hangers-on who proclaim to be an anti-authoritarian resistance when it suits them. It's funny, the fact people co-opt it shows that they see it as a noble and worthy ideology, yet it's still one they're happy to discard the minute some talking head put on TV by a corporation tells them to be outraged.
      - revolvingocelot 4y ago
        I'd love to be put in contact with some of these true Scotsmen^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H anti-authoritarians. I need staunch moral support in my tireless, lonely fight against the soulless minions of orthodoxy who blithely kowtow to the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 [0]. My perfectly fine produce deserves the embrace of the free market; it isn't up to some pencil-pusher in Washington to have the final say in how much lead there is in a tomato, it's between God, Man, and the Invisible Hand. Are you one of the countless hangers-on who proclaim to be an anti-authoritarian resistance when it suits them? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Food_and_Drug_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Food_and_Drug_Act
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
        Phew, well I'm glad somebody is thinking of the children. Thank you for your service :) Sorry if I hit a nerve.
        revolvingocelot 4y ago
        >>>just about everybody, all around the world, loves authoritarian laws when they agree with the alleged goal, or when the psychological propaganda worked on them You made a really strong claim in the post I'm quoting, and suggested that you are among those hardcore anti-authoritarians whom you lionize. But this is a real(ish) world example of that belief being challenged, and instead of explaining your principled stance, you're playin' around; you suggested you had "hit a nerve". Ah, right, I guess I'm just too emotional. Gotta stand up for what's right! No, not like that. Of course I'm being facetious about my leaden tomatoes, but so too are you, and other readers of these words should think about how the "anti-authoritarians" actually practice their claimed stances, and where they don't.
        monort 4y ago
        Non-authoritarian solution is to have certification. It will be up to consumer to buy only food certified by PureFood.
- TurkishPoptart 4y ago
  It's too bad you're getting downvoted. This is an obvious and appropriate Simpsons' quote

nonameiguess 4y ago

That link says nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, medicines, and anything that is a food is exempt. That would seem to include capsaicin, along with other stuff like Robitussin and nutmeg that can potentially be hallucinogenic if you megadose them.

voxic11 4y ago
It defines food as: > Any substance which— (a) is ordinarily consumed as food, and (b) does not contain a prohibited ingredient > In this paragraph— “food” includes drink; “prohibited ingredient”, in relation to a substance, means any psychoactive substance— (a) which is not naturally occurring in the substance, and (b) the use of which in or on food is not authorised by an EU instrument. So it sounds like Capsaicin produced naturally in things like hot peppers would be fine. But artificially produced Capsaicin added to food might not be.
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 4y ago
  Sensation is not perception. To be psychoactive, capsaicin would need to warp your perceptions, rather than solely induce the sensation of burning pain.
  - voxic11 4y ago
    As the original article notes it does appear to have a psychoactive effect beyond the sensation of burning pain (though if a sensation of pleasure is a psychoactive effect why wouldn't a sensation of pain be?). I found additional sources going into the likely pharmacology of this effect: > Namely, capsaicin and vanillin (and anandamide itself) are all agonists of the TRPV1 receptor, which stimulates production and release of endogenous anandamide. When mixed with N-linoleoylethanolamide and N-oleoylethanolamide from cacao, which inhibit anandamide breakdown, the levels of endogenous anandamide are augmented further. When breakdown of anandamide is inhibited pharmacologically or genetically, anandamide is able to produce a state of intoxication similar to tetrahydrocannabinol in rodents and nonhuman primates https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6706955/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6706955/

Moissanite 4y ago

I predict a riot.

c7DJTLrn 4y ago

One of the most stupid and authoritarian laws to exist. Although, you don't hear of 13-year-olds doing random chemicals bought for a tenner from headshops and dying anymore. They're just sold as the more popular drugs. The war on drugs is going about as well as Russia's war on Ukraine.

dekken_ 4y ago
And if you read into it you see that it was brought about to subjugate some voting demographics https://www.vera.org/reimagining-prison-webumentary/the-past-is-never-dead/drug-war-confessional https://www.vera.org/reimagining-prison-webumentary/the-past... Whether this is true or not, it's certainly enraging.
- klondike_klive 4y ago
  Your last line could be the epithet for our times!
  - dekken_ 4y ago
    I owe much of my personality to Chris Morris ;)
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  In the UK you don't lose your voting rights after a conviction. That is specific to the USA, where you lose a bunch of rights if you are a felon.
  - t-3 4y ago
    Most US states don't remove the right to vote from a felon unless they are incarcerated or on parole (and many not even then). Employment discrimination is generally more of an issue than civil rights for felons, because almost noone supports hiring felons anywhere.
    - 4y ago

bitL 4y ago

Wasn't Dave's Insanity Sauce banned in the EU for a while?