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12-14mpg is not “the same as a modern SUV” by any stretch of the imagination. A RAV4 hybrid is 41mpg, or 3.41x less consumption.

geocrasher 4y ago
Well certainly not the same as a tiny hybrid, obviously. But, to your point, a 2023 Suburban gets 20+mpg. So there's that. It also costs $57,000 and <hyperbole> has more computers in it than a small data center </hyperbole>
rootusrootus 4y ago
As someone who likes the RAV4, I'd point out that it's considerably smaller than a full size body-on-frame SUV like a Suburban. It's more like a lifted Corolla, or maybe Camry. Oddly enough, they now actually make a lifted Corolla. The dimensions are quite similar.
katbyte 4y ago
Why are you comparing it to a hybrid? And not ever the right Toyotas. 4Runner - 17, tacoma - 19
freeplay 4y ago
A RAV4, like most crossovers, is a car with slightly more headroom. Not really a fair comparison. Compare it to a 2022 4Runner and you'll see that gas mileage is very similar. Toyota is known for their top tier reliability and mid to low tier gas mileage and tech.
- hedgehog 4y ago
  Interestingly a RAV4 Hybrid with about 2500 lb total cargo including trailer gets around 28-30 mpg. The newer hybrid transaxles (P710 etc) are mechanically surprisingly simple and I could see a future where they become the preferred replacement for an all-mechanical system.
phpisthebest 4y ago
The RAV4 is a car with a SUV Body, The Suburban is a Truck with a SUV Body Not the same thing. the Suburban is a Full Frame massive vehicle capable of towing medium sized loads, haul alot of cargo, or alot of people The RAV4 is a compact unibody vehicle capable of really no towing (though people will try), seats only 4 (uncomfortably if they are average American Adult size, only 2 Adults can fit comfortably in a Rav4) While they both may be technically "SUV's" it is laughable to think they service the same need
- justin66 4y ago
  > While they both may be technically "SUV's" it is laughable to think they service the same need They service the same need a lot more often than you'd think: transportation for a segment of the public who'd be better off with station wagons but decided in the mid eighties those were not cool. > seats only 4 (uncomfortably if they are average American Adult size, only 2 Adults can fit comfortably in a Rav4) That's all false.
- fomine3 4y ago
  wow how big American adults

geocrasher 4y ago

Well certainly not the same as a tiny hybrid, obviously. But, to your point, a 2023 Suburban gets 20+mpg. So there's that. It also costs $57,000 and <hyperbole> has more computers in it than a small data center </hyperbole>

rootusrootus 4y ago

As someone who likes the RAV4, I'd point out that it's considerably smaller than a full size body-on-frame SUV like a Suburban. It's more like a lifted Corolla, or maybe Camry. Oddly enough, they now actually make a lifted Corolla. The dimensions are quite similar.

katbyte 4y ago

Why are you comparing it to a hybrid? And not ever the right Toyotas. 4Runner - 17, tacoma - 19

freeplay 4y ago

A RAV4, like most crossovers, is a car with slightly more headroom. Not really a fair comparison. Compare it to a 2022 4Runner and you'll see that gas mileage is very similar. Toyota is known for their top tier reliability and mid to low tier gas mileage and tech.

hedgehog 4y ago
Interestingly a RAV4 Hybrid with about 2500 lb total cargo including trailer gets around 28-30 mpg. The newer hybrid transaxles (P710 etc) are mechanically surprisingly simple and I could see a future where they become the preferred replacement for an all-mechanical system.

phpisthebest 4y ago

The RAV4 is a car with a SUV Body, The Suburban is a Truck with a SUV Body Not the same thing. the Suburban is a Full Frame massive vehicle capable of towing medium sized loads, haul alot of cargo, or alot of people The RAV4 is a compact unibody vehicle capable of really no towing (though people will try), seats only 4 (uncomfortably if they are average American Adult size, only 2 Adults can fit comfortably in a Rav4) While they both may be technically "SUV's" it is laughable to think they service the same need

justin66 4y ago
> While they both may be technically "SUV's" it is laughable to think they service the same need They service the same need a lot more often than you'd think: transportation for a segment of the public who'd be better off with station wagons but decided in the mid eighties those were not cool. > seats only 4 (uncomfortably if they are average American Adult size, only 2 Adults can fit comfortably in a Rav4) That's all false.
fomine3 4y ago
wow how big American adults