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The market decided that emissions and safety were particularly important. But it never decided that simplicity and repairability weren't important. Turns out th

The market decided that emissions and safety were particularly important. But it never decided that simplicity and repairability weren't important. Turns out there was just more money to be made by slowly eroding those qualities. Theoretically EVs should be the solution. They're remarkably simple compared to their gas counterparts. But manufacturers aren't just going to give up the golden goose. They market EVs as complex, technological marvels when the only real marvel is our ability to produce efficient, low weight, high capacity batteries at scale. They do everything they can to stifle independent repair behind the scenes, and we just accept it because at this point the frog has been well and truly boiled.

phpisthebest 4y ago
>>The market decided that emissions and safety were particularly important WRONG... Governments decided that emissions and safety were important, not the market. >>But it never decided that simplicity and repairability weren't important. Turns out there was just more money to be made by slowly eroding those qualities. then that is the market decided they are not important, consumers do not ask "how much does this cost to repair" because the new car buyer most likely will trade in that for a newer model before the 100,000 mile warranty is even up so they do not care. It is the 2nd and 3rd owners problem that deals with repairability, that is also a factor in why (in normal economic years) Toyota's maintain their resale value every well and other manufacturers drop like a stone, Toyota as a reputation to be reliable and inexpensive to maintain on the used market, where say a Chevy or Ford has the exact opposite reputation
- CivBase 4y ago
  > WRONG... Governments decided that emissions and safety were important, not the market. Lots of people buy vehicles based on safety reputation, fuel economy, and environmental impact. The fact that democratic governments are using their power to enforce a baseline quality for those things speaks volumes to the interests of the citizens - which in this case is almost indistinguishable from the market. > then that is the market decided they are not important, consumers do not ask "how much does this cost to repair" because the new car buyer most likely will trade in that for a newer model before the 100,000 mile warranty is even up so they do not care. This is only sort of true. First owners are incentivized to trade early because of the lack of reparability. That in turn enables manufacturers to make less repairable products - which aligns with their interests because it allows them to capture more of the repair market and further incentivizes customers to buy new cars more often. It's a vicious cycle that benefits only the manufacturers.

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>The market decided that emissions and safety were particularly important WRONG... Governments decided that emissions and safety were important, not the market. >>But it never decided that simplicity and repairability weren't important. Turns out there was just more money to be made by slowly eroding those qualities. then that is the market decided they are not important, consumers do not ask "how much does this cost to repair" because the new car buyer most likely will trade in that for a newer model before the 100,000 mile warranty is even up so they do not care. It is the 2nd and 3rd owners problem that deals with repairability, that is also a factor in why (in normal economic years) Toyota's maintain their resale value every well and other manufacturers drop like a stone, Toyota as a reputation to be reliable and inexpensive to maintain on the used market, where say a Chevy or Ford has the exact opposite reputation

CivBase 4y ago
> WRONG... Governments decided that emissions and safety were important, not the market. Lots of people buy vehicles based on safety reputation, fuel economy, and environmental impact. The fact that democratic governments are using their power to enforce a baseline quality for those things speaks volumes to the interests of the citizens - which in this case is almost indistinguishable from the market. > then that is the market decided they are not important, consumers do not ask "how much does this cost to repair" because the new car buyer most likely will trade in that for a newer model before the 100,000 mile warranty is even up so they do not care. This is only sort of true. First owners are incentivized to trade early because of the lack of reparability. That in turn enables manufacturers to make less repairable products - which aligns with their interests because it allows them to capture more of the repair market and further incentivizes customers to buy new cars more often. It's a vicious cycle that benefits only the manufacturers.