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I find disturbing how a large portion of the general USA public is apparently convinced that the NYT and CNN are leftist orgs (due to a general political realig

I find disturbing how a large portion of the general USA public is apparently convinced that the NYT and CNN are leftist orgs (due to a general political realignment that left not being socially reactionary and imperialism clustered, as far as I understand).

shkkmo 4y ago
As someone who generally falls further to the left than the right, and sometimes much further, I would agree that those are generally left biased news outlets. Here's a site that does a pretty decent job of ranking bias per article and per outlet: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/ratings https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/ratings
- frostburg 4y ago
  If you count averages, I agree, but I would argue that the bulk of what makes the NYT nominally left wing is very safe signaling on almost stereotypically caviar gauche issues, while they're not left wing when it could actually matter or is hard.
  - leereeves 4y ago
    According to Media Bias Fact Check, CNN is left-bias and NYT is left-center bias. That's as close as you can get to an impartial judgement.
    - frostburg 4y ago
      You really can't model this on a single axis.
      - shkkmo 4y ago
        Any political labeling system, regardless of number of axes, is going to drop details and fail to capture all the ways in which political opinions can vary. That doesn't mean that all labeling systems are equally informative, but it also means that you can indeed model political leaning on a single axis. If you do that, you will absolutely miss details bout the bias of the NYT, but you will also find that the NYT bias tends toward the left. It is also true that while the NYT generally is biased to the left, some of its articles and editorials can still be biased to the right.
      - prepend 4y ago
        I think the argument would be to not simplify judgement of things. But left/right is a single axis. If you’re measuring left/right bias then you’re going to have a single axis. A different argument is only the quality or usefulness of a media outlet. That’s definitely more dimensions and one would be left/right bias.
  - JacobThreeThree 4y ago
    Another data point from Pew polling: People who identify the NYT as their main source of news also identify as Democrats 91% of the time and Republicans only 7%. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-main-sources-for-political-news-vary-by-party-and-age/ft_2020-04-01_newssources_02/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-m...
prepend 4y ago
20% of people think the world is flat. I stopped finding it disturbing what large portions of the public think. I don’t think this is unique to the US either. People believe crazy things (or perhaps just like trolling pollsters). I’m not even sure what a “leftist org” means.

shkkmo 4y ago

As someone who generally falls further to the left than the right, and sometimes much further, I would agree that those are generally left biased news outlets. Here's a site that does a pretty decent job of ranking bias per article and per outlet: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/ratings https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/ratings

frostburg 4y ago
If you count averages, I agree, but I would argue that the bulk of what makes the NYT nominally left wing is very safe signaling on almost stereotypically caviar gauche issues, while they're not left wing when it could actually matter or is hard.
- leereeves 4y ago
  According to Media Bias Fact Check, CNN is left-bias and NYT is left-center bias. That's as close as you can get to an impartial judgement.
  - frostburg 4y ago
    You really can't model this on a single axis.
    - shkkmo 4y ago
      Any political labeling system, regardless of number of axes, is going to drop details and fail to capture all the ways in which political opinions can vary. That doesn't mean that all labeling systems are equally informative, but it also means that you can indeed model political leaning on a single axis. If you do that, you will absolutely miss details bout the bias of the NYT, but you will also find that the NYT bias tends toward the left. It is also true that while the NYT generally is biased to the left, some of its articles and editorials can still be biased to the right.
    - prepend 4y ago
      I think the argument would be to not simplify judgement of things. But left/right is a single axis. If you’re measuring left/right bias then you’re going to have a single axis. A different argument is only the quality or usefulness of a media outlet. That’s definitely more dimensions and one would be left/right bias.
- JacobThreeThree 4y ago
  Another data point from Pew polling: People who identify the NYT as their main source of news also identify as Democrats 91% of the time and Republicans only 7%. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-main-sources-for-political-news-vary-by-party-and-age/ft_2020-04-01_newssources_02/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/01/americans-m...

prepend 4y ago

20% of people think the world is flat. I stopped finding it disturbing what large portions of the public think. I don’t think this is unique to the US either. People believe crazy things (or perhaps just like trolling pollsters). I’m not even sure what a “leftist org” means.