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You make it sound like most of the women making money on the site aren’t pretty thrilled they can print money by posting pictures on the internet? Safe, legal,

by zaroth 4y ago

You make it sound like most of the women making money on the site aren’t pretty thrilled they can print money by posting pictures on the internet? Safe, legal, and easily monetizable sex work is a boon for young pretty women. Attractive men don’t generally have that avenue available to them, for example as a way to pay for college.

bradlys 4y ago
The sex work often is at the cost of other things. We might have something relatively safe and financially good for some women. However - this is taking lots of money from men who are unable to attract women. They’re taking money from men they’d never interact with. I’m not really sure it’s a boon for society. It’s purely to placate lonely men who are unable to get a partner. I don’t know any men who pay for onlyfans content and have a partner. I think widespread sex work is a failure of society and I’m pro-sex work. It usually means you’ve failed men and commoditized sex and relationships.
- zaroth 4y ago
  Is it really more widespread at this point in history than any other? Or just easier to measure the market size? I wouldn’t lament that sex work being safe and profitable is bad for society. But I also don’t think OnlyFans is significantly inducing demand, and I wouldn’t describe this as “taking” money from lonely men, it seems like a fair economic exchange to me. I don’t have the hard numbers but I think staying single, being alone (and lonely), are huge and growing issues in modern society. The internet providing easy & cheap access to dopamine as a coping mechanism is probably better than increasing alcohol or drug use, but certainly isn’t a “good” thing. All of them of course have the potential for addictive and compulsive use. I don’t see a problem with commoditizing sex when it’s outside the scope of a committed relationship. Not all sex is about meeting an emotional need, and that’s perfectly fine as long as it’s safe and consensual. Young men are certainly being failed in many ways and seem to be quite lost in the culture wars. My unscientific opinion is that this is compounded by the many environmental toxins pushing down T levels, modern K-12 educational pedagogy catering heavily to girls, and societal change around masculinity and the increasing impossibility of celebrating male gender roles.
  - bradlys 4y ago
    Very few men are going to sex work purely for the physical aspect. They’re going for an emotional component as well. It’s a weird argument to say that the cure for incels is to socialize sex work. It’s not going to solve anything. Most men don’t want just sex - they want a relationship too. The truth of the matter is that we’ve gone past women needing men - and in our current culture… most women don’t really want men regardless of their T levels or role models. They sometimes want the idea of a man (Instagram, TikTok, etc.) but they don’t want the reality. I don’t think there’s any real cure for this except third spaces coming back and a deemphasis on our extremely commoditized and capitalistic ways. Neither of which will happen for the next 50 years.
    - zaroth 4y ago
      It’s absolutely not a cure - it’s just a coping mechanism 100%. I think most people do want a loving partner, if not more than one. Women definitely don’t “need a man” in the historical sense that they couldn’t really survive and be a respected part of the community without one. Pregnancy, childbirth, and raising children in a nuclear family is still pretty essential for a lot of people, although it can happen a lot later in life now, so there’s a large window in their 20s for women now where they will often outearn and outperform males their age, which certainly makes those men less attractive.
newsclues 4y ago
> You make it sound like most of the women making money on the site aren’t pretty thrilled they can print money by posting pictures on the internet? Are they thrilled when they realize men, don't think of them as potential wives after they have become virtual (or real) prostitutes?

by zaroth 4y ago

bradlys 4y ago

The sex work often is at the cost of other things. We might have something relatively safe and financially good for some women. However - this is taking lots of money from men who are unable to attract women. They’re taking money from men they’d never interact with. I’m not really sure it’s a boon for society. It’s purely to placate lonely men who are unable to get a partner. I don’t know any men who pay for onlyfans content and have a partner. I think widespread sex work is a failure of society and I’m pro-sex work. It usually means you’ve failed men and commoditized sex and relationships.

zaroth 4y ago
Is it really more widespread at this point in history than any other? Or just easier to measure the market size? I wouldn’t lament that sex work being safe and profitable is bad for society. But I also don’t think OnlyFans is significantly inducing demand, and I wouldn’t describe this as “taking” money from lonely men, it seems like a fair economic exchange to me. I don’t have the hard numbers but I think staying single, being alone (and lonely), are huge and growing issues in modern society. The internet providing easy & cheap access to dopamine as a coping mechanism is probably better than increasing alcohol or drug use, but certainly isn’t a “good” thing. All of them of course have the potential for addictive and compulsive use. I don’t see a problem with commoditizing sex when it’s outside the scope of a committed relationship. Not all sex is about meeting an emotional need, and that’s perfectly fine as long as it’s safe and consensual. Young men are certainly being failed in many ways and seem to be quite lost in the culture wars. My unscientific opinion is that this is compounded by the many environmental toxins pushing down T levels, modern K-12 educational pedagogy catering heavily to girls, and societal change around masculinity and the increasing impossibility of celebrating male gender roles.
- bradlys 4y ago
  Very few men are going to sex work purely for the physical aspect. They’re going for an emotional component as well. It’s a weird argument to say that the cure for incels is to socialize sex work. It’s not going to solve anything. Most men don’t want just sex - they want a relationship too. The truth of the matter is that we’ve gone past women needing men - and in our current culture… most women don’t really want men regardless of their T levels or role models. They sometimes want the idea of a man (Instagram, TikTok, etc.) but they don’t want the reality. I don’t think there’s any real cure for this except third spaces coming back and a deemphasis on our extremely commoditized and capitalistic ways. Neither of which will happen for the next 50 years.
  - zaroth 4y ago
    It’s absolutely not a cure - it’s just a coping mechanism 100%. I think most people do want a loving partner, if not more than one. Women definitely don’t “need a man” in the historical sense that they couldn’t really survive and be a respected part of the community without one. Pregnancy, childbirth, and raising children in a nuclear family is still pretty essential for a lot of people, although it can happen a lot later in life now, so there’s a large window in their 20s for women now where they will often outearn and outperform males their age, which certainly makes those men less attractive.

newsclues 4y ago

> You make it sound like most of the women making money on the site aren’t pretty thrilled they can print money by posting pictures on the internet? Are they thrilled when they realize men, don't think of them as potential wives after they have become virtual (or real) prostitutes?