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>Do you mean that sex is a product of a degenerate society? They never even hinted 'sex'. Probably sex work, from people who in other times had other job oppor

>Do you mean that sex is a product of a degenerate society? They never even hinted 'sex'. Probably sex work, from people who in other times had other job opportunities besides selling their body online. >Do you mean that sex is a product of a degenerate society? So, answering your question, widespread sex work, yes.

stavros 4y ago
On the other hand, a society where sex work isn't stigmatized is less degenerate than one who is.
- recuter 4y ago
  How about one where it is widely promoted?
- 988747 4y ago
  Imagine government-run employment agency setting you up for a job interview at the brothel. And if you refuse that interview you lose your unemployment benefits, because you turned down perfectly legal job... That's reality for women in Germany, for example.
- newsclues 4y ago
  Why was sex work stigmatized for so long? Maybe traditions aren't wrong!
- virtueman 4y ago
  In the context of prostitution, the bed should be seen as a sacrificial stone. People often 'choose' this work - sacrifice themselves - because they can care for aging, ill family in ways that would otherwise not be possible. Sex work irreparably destroys one's ability to desire or enjoy intimacy. A core function of what it means to be human is completely erased. Through first hand experience, I have gone from being completely pro-sex work to now viewing it as an evil industry.
zaroth 4y ago
You make it sound like most of the women making money on the site aren’t pretty thrilled they can print money by posting pictures on the internet? Safe, legal, and easily monetizable sex work is a boon for young pretty women. Attractive men don’t generally have that avenue available to them, for example as a way to pay for college.
- bradlys 4y ago
  The sex work often is at the cost of other things. We might have something relatively safe and financially good for some women. However - this is taking lots of money from men who are unable to attract women. They’re taking money from men they’d never interact with. I’m not really sure it’s a boon for society. It’s purely to placate lonely men who are unable to get a partner. I don’t know any men who pay for onlyfans content and have a partner. I think widespread sex work is a failure of society and I’m pro-sex work. It usually means you’ve failed men and commoditized sex and relationships.
  - zaroth 4y ago
    Is it really more widespread at this point in history than any other? Or just easier to measure the market size? I wouldn’t lament that sex work being safe and profitable is bad for society. But I also don’t think OnlyFans is significantly inducing demand, and I wouldn’t describe this as “taking” money from lonely men, it seems like a fair economic exchange to me. I don’t have the hard numbers but I think staying single, being alone (and lonely), are huge and growing issues in modern society. The internet providing easy & cheap access to dopamine as a coping mechanism is probably better than increasing alcohol or drug use, but certainly isn’t a “good” thing. All of them of course have the potential for addictive and compulsive use. I don’t see a problem with commoditizing sex when it’s outside the scope of a committed relationship. Not all sex is about meeting an emotional need, and that’s perfectly fine as long as it’s safe and consensual. Young men are certainly being failed in many ways and seem to be quite lost in the culture wars. My unscientific opinion is that this is compounded by the many environmental toxins pushing down T levels, modern K-12 educational pedagogy catering heavily to girls, and societal change around masculinity and the increasing impossibility of celebrating male gender roles.

stavros 4y ago

On the other hand, a society where sex work isn't stigmatized is less degenerate than one who is.

recuter 4y ago
How about one where it is widely promoted?
988747 4y ago
Imagine government-run employment agency setting you up for a job interview at the brothel. And if you refuse that interview you lose your unemployment benefits, because you turned down perfectly legal job... That's reality for women in Germany, for example.
newsclues 4y ago
Why was sex work stigmatized for so long? Maybe traditions aren't wrong!
virtueman 4y ago
In the context of prostitution, the bed should be seen as a sacrificial stone. People often 'choose' this work - sacrifice themselves - because they can care for aging, ill family in ways that would otherwise not be possible. Sex work irreparably destroys one's ability to desire or enjoy intimacy. A core function of what it means to be human is completely erased. Through first hand experience, I have gone from being completely pro-sex work to now viewing it as an evil industry.

zaroth 4y ago

You make it sound like most of the women making money on the site aren’t pretty thrilled they can print money by posting pictures on the internet? Safe, legal, and easily monetizable sex work is a boon for young pretty women. Attractive men don’t generally have that avenue available to them, for example as a way to pay for college.

bradlys 4y ago
The sex work often is at the cost of other things. We might have something relatively safe and financially good for some women. However - this is taking lots of money from men who are unable to attract women. They’re taking money from men they’d never interact with. I’m not really sure it’s a boon for society. It’s purely to placate lonely men who are unable to get a partner. I don’t know any men who pay for onlyfans content and have a partner. I think widespread sex work is a failure of society and I’m pro-sex work. It usually means you’ve failed men and commoditized sex and relationships.
- zaroth 4y ago
  Is it really more widespread at this point in history than any other? Or just easier to measure the market size? I wouldn’t lament that sex work being safe and profitable is bad for society. But I also don’t think OnlyFans is significantly inducing demand, and I wouldn’t describe this as “taking” money from lonely men, it seems like a fair economic exchange to me. I don’t have the hard numbers but I think staying single, being alone (and lonely), are huge and growing issues in modern society. The internet providing easy & cheap access to dopamine as a coping mechanism is probably better than increasing alcohol or drug use, but certainly isn’t a “good” thing. All of them of course have the potential for addictive and compulsive use. I don’t see a problem with commoditizing sex when it’s outside the scope of a committed relationship. Not all sex is about meeting an emotional need, and that’s perfectly fine as long as it’s safe and consensual. Young men are certainly being failed in many ways and seem to be quite lost in the culture wars. My unscientific opinion is that this is compounded by the many environmental toxins pushing down T levels, modern K-12 educational pedagogy catering heavily to girls, and societal change around masculinity and the increasing impossibility of celebrating male gender roles.