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There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute

There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute these? Edit: my comment can come of as aggressive, but I'm genuinely curious, didn't mean to attack you

WiSaGaN 4y ago
I just went back to the first full match broadcasted by CCTV, and made screenshots just for you: https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S Initially they claim all fans are blurred. Now they claim close-ups are not shown. I am pretty sure that they will claim it's specific matches that don't have close-ups later.
- simongray 4y ago
  I wonder why you picked the first match as proof...? The first few matches were broadcast uncensored which caused a ruckus on Weibo leading to the current state of censorship. That's how the story goes, at least. Can you make similar screenshots of the latest match?
  - WiSaGaN 4y ago
    Less than 24 hours ago: Canada vs Croatia: https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg
danskeren 4y ago
According to China Insights' latest video then they attempted to blur the audience outside the live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038. The video has been age-restricted so if you don't have an account then can see it here: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI at timestamp 17:18.
- WiSaGaN 4y ago
  Avoid “China Insights” or anyone self claimed as China watchers if you don’t want to become victims of propaganda.
  - danskeren 4y ago
    Everybody, including you, have an agenda. China Insights is great because they always provide video evidence and high quality references (such as official government documents). The fact that China Insights in the video claimed that the media blurred the audience outside the live broadcast (which again was backed up by video evidence) is a testament to the high quality and factual accuracy of their reporting.
    - WiSaGaN 4y ago
      Do you think the screenshots I posted above are from live broadcast days ago or VOD I just played?
      - danskeren 4y ago
        I assume they're from an unedited VOD of the live broadcast, whereas the ones with the censored audience appear to be the state media's edited highlight clips that they shared on social media.
        spoiler 4y ago
        Do you have links to the posts? I'm curious to see what they did
    - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
      Note that China Insights is run by Falun Gong, which is basically China's version of Scientology. I would not trust anything they say, even if they claim to show evidence, because there is a very high probability that they are deliberately misrepresenting the evidence (for example, deliberately mistranslating documents, knowingly putting false captions on photos, etc.). A lot of false rumors about China that make their way into English-language media trace back to Falun Gong and their various outlets (such as the rumor that spread on Twitter several weeks ago that there was a military coup underway in China).
dopa42365 4y ago
https://weibo.com/6320391439 https://weibo.com/6320391439 reuploaded a random example clip: https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 There's like a thousand cameras in the stadium, and I have no idea if they show things like replays of individual fans cinematic reactions for dramatic purposes (they do that in my country), but that might be a cultural difference more than anything else. Definitely doesn't look like they're avoiding crowds per se, or blurring.

WiSaGaN 4y ago

I just went back to the first full match broadcasted by CCTV, and made screenshots just for you: https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S Initially they claim all fans are blurred. Now they claim close-ups are not shown. I am pretty sure that they will claim it's specific matches that don't have close-ups later.

simongray 4y ago
I wonder why you picked the first match as proof...? The first few matches were broadcast uncensored which caused a ruckus on Weibo leading to the current state of censorship. That's how the story goes, at least. Can you make similar screenshots of the latest match?
- WiSaGaN 4y ago
  Less than 24 hours ago: Canada vs Croatia: https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg

danskeren 4y ago

According to China Insights' latest video then they attempted to blur the audience outside the live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038. The video has been age-restricted so if you don't have an account then can see it here: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI at timestamp 17:18.

WiSaGaN 4y ago
Avoid “China Insights” or anyone self claimed as China watchers if you don’t want to become victims of propaganda.
- danskeren 4y ago
  Everybody, including you, have an agenda. China Insights is great because they always provide video evidence and high quality references (such as official government documents). The fact that China Insights in the video claimed that the media blurred the audience outside the live broadcast (which again was backed up by video evidence) is a testament to the high quality and factual accuracy of their reporting.
  - WiSaGaN 4y ago
    Do you think the screenshots I posted above are from live broadcast days ago or VOD I just played?
    - danskeren 4y ago
      I assume they're from an unedited VOD of the live broadcast, whereas the ones with the censored audience appear to be the state media's edited highlight clips that they shared on social media.
      - spoiler 4y ago
        Do you have links to the posts? I'm curious to see what they did
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    Note that China Insights is run by Falun Gong, which is basically China's version of Scientology. I would not trust anything they say, even if they claim to show evidence, because there is a very high probability that they are deliberately misrepresenting the evidence (for example, deliberately mistranslating documents, knowingly putting false captions on photos, etc.). A lot of false rumors about China that make their way into English-language media trace back to Falun Gong and their various outlets (such as the rumor that spread on Twitter several weeks ago that there was a military coup underway in China).

dopa42365 4y ago

https://weibo.com/6320391439 https://weibo.com/6320391439 reuploaded a random example clip: https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 There's like a thousand cameras in the stadium, and I have no idea if they show things like replays of individual fans cinematic reactions for dramatic purposes (they do that in my country), but that might be a cultural difference more than anything else. Definitely doesn't look like they're avoiding crowds per se, or blurring.