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This is such a ridiculous claim and also extremely easy to debunk if you have any friends in China they will show you immediately this is false. Yet not a singl

This is such a ridiculous claim and also extremely easy to debunk if you have any friends in China they will show you immediately this is false. Yet not a single one comment mentions it. Goes to show the level of discourse happen in the west about anything china related.

spoiler 4y ago
There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute these? Edit: my comment can come of as aggressive, but I'm genuinely curious, didn't mean to attack you
- WiSaGaN 4y ago
  I just went back to the first full match broadcasted by CCTV, and made screenshots just for you: https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S Initially they claim all fans are blurred. Now they claim close-ups are not shown. I am pretty sure that they will claim it's specific matches that don't have close-ups later.
  - simongray 4y ago
    I wonder why you picked the first match as proof...? The first few matches were broadcast uncensored which caused a ruckus on Weibo leading to the current state of censorship. That's how the story goes, at least. Can you make similar screenshots of the latest match?
    - WiSaGaN 4y ago
      Less than 24 hours ago: Canada vs Croatia: https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg
- danskeren 4y ago
  According to China Insights' latest video then they attempted to blur the audience outside the live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038. The video has been age-restricted so if you don't have an account then can see it here: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI at timestamp 17:18.
  - WiSaGaN 4y ago
    Avoid “China Insights” or anyone self claimed as China watchers if you don’t want to become victims of propaganda.
    - danskeren 4y ago
      Everybody, including you, have an agenda. China Insights is great because they always provide video evidence and high quality references (such as official government documents). The fact that China Insights in the video claimed that the media blurred the audience outside the live broadcast (which again was backed up by video evidence) is a testament to the high quality and factual accuracy of their reporting.
      - WiSaGaN 4y ago
        Do you think the screenshots I posted above are from live broadcast days ago or VOD I just played?
        danskeren 4y ago
        I assume they're from an unedited VOD of the live broadcast, whereas the ones with the censored audience appear to be the state media's edited highlight clips that they shared on social media.
        spoiler 4y ago
        Do you have links to the posts? I'm curious to see what they did
- dopa42365 4y ago
  https://weibo.com/6320391439 https://weibo.com/6320391439 reuploaded a random example clip: https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 There's like a thousand cameras in the stadium, and I have no idea if they show things like replays of individual fans cinematic reactions for dramatic purposes (they do that in my country), but that might be a cultural difference more than anything else. Definitely doesn't look like they're avoiding crowds per se, or blurring.
ctvo 4y ago
Are you saying this is false and crowd shots are still shown? Are you in China right now?
- WiSaGaN 4y ago
  You don't need to be in China to dubunk those. You just need to do some independant research easily, say by visiting the CCTV video site. Knowing some Chinese helps, but it won't stop anyone who is determined to find the truth.
  - ctvo 4y ago
    Why is it difficult to get your stance on this? Even in your original post, it was unnecessarily circular. Are you saying the crowd shots are still being shown in China? Yes or no? How do you know?
    - panda_2134 4y ago
      Definitely no after Nov 25 0:00 UTC+8. I am Chinese and checked every goal after the apartment fire. Since Nov 28, the functionality of switching to other cameras in the mobile app has been removed. (It was possible to manually switch to a camera shotting crowds in the app before) You can also check it at [1] or download the app and see it yourself. [1] http://cctv5.cntv.cn/ http://cctv5.cntv.cn/
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - wholinator2 4y ago
    Well a sibling comment asked for evidence, was provided with screenshots of the first game, such believably was not censored. Were you to provide screenshots or preferably a video link of the most recent game, or those featured in the Twitter thread, you would totally convince me and probably everyone else.

spoiler 4y ago

There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute these? Edit: my comment can come of as aggressive, but I'm genuinely curious, didn't mean to attack you

WiSaGaN 4y ago
I just went back to the first full match broadcasted by CCTV, and made screenshots just for you: https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/2MJrnWk https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S https://ibb.co/c3Zcq3S Initially they claim all fans are blurred. Now they claim close-ups are not shown. I am pretty sure that they will claim it's specific matches that don't have close-ups later.
- simongray 4y ago
  I wonder why you picked the first match as proof...? The first few matches were broadcast uncensored which caused a ruckus on Weibo leading to the current state of censorship. That's how the story goes, at least. Can you make similar screenshots of the latest match?
  - WiSaGaN 4y ago
    Less than 24 hours ago: Canada vs Croatia: https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg https://ibb.co/7nfdhFg
danskeren 4y ago
According to China Insights' latest video then they attempted to blur the audience outside the live broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI?t=1038. The video has been age-restricted so if you don't have an account then can see it here: https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=zFA_c9PjBEI at timestamp 17:18.
- WiSaGaN 4y ago
  Avoid “China Insights” or anyone self claimed as China watchers if you don’t want to become victims of propaganda.
  - danskeren 4y ago
    Everybody, including you, have an agenda. China Insights is great because they always provide video evidence and high quality references (such as official government documents). The fact that China Insights in the video claimed that the media blurred the audience outside the live broadcast (which again was backed up by video evidence) is a testament to the high quality and factual accuracy of their reporting.
    - WiSaGaN 4y ago
      Do you think the screenshots I posted above are from live broadcast days ago or VOD I just played?
      - danskeren 4y ago
        I assume they're from an unedited VOD of the live broadcast, whereas the ones with the censored audience appear to be the state media's edited highlight clips that they shared on social media.
        spoiler 4y ago
        Do you have links to the posts? I'm curious to see what they did
dopa42365 4y ago
https://weibo.com/6320391439 https://weibo.com/6320391439 reuploaded a random example clip: https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/vx9q03.mp4 There's like a thousand cameras in the stadium, and I have no idea if they show things like replays of individual fans cinematic reactions for dramatic purposes (they do that in my country), but that might be a cultural difference more than anything else. Definitely doesn't look like they're avoiding crowds per se, or blurring.

ctvo 4y ago

Are you saying this is false and crowd shots are still shown? Are you in China right now?

WiSaGaN 4y ago
You don't need to be in China to dubunk those. You just need to do some independant research easily, say by visiting the CCTV video site. Knowing some Chinese helps, but it won't stop anyone who is determined to find the truth.
- ctvo 4y ago
  Why is it difficult to get your stance on this? Even in your original post, it was unnecessarily circular. Are you saying the crowd shots are still being shown in China? Yes or no? How do you know?
  - panda_2134 4y ago
    Definitely no after Nov 25 0:00 UTC+8. I am Chinese and checked every goal after the apartment fire. Since Nov 28, the functionality of switching to other cameras in the mobile app has been removed. (It was possible to manually switch to a camera shotting crowds in the app before) You can also check it at [1] or download the app and see it yourself. [1] http://cctv5.cntv.cn/ http://cctv5.cntv.cn/
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- wholinator2 4y ago
  Well a sibling comment asked for evidence, was provided with screenshots of the first game, such believably was not censored. Were you to provide screenshots or preferably a video link of the most recent game, or those featured in the Twitter thread, you would totally convince me and probably everyone else.