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It's really bad, only 65% of 80+ are vaccinated [1] As you mentioned their own vaccine is not very effective but they have also approved no foreign vaccines ye

by jahnu 4y ago

It's really bad, only 65% of 80+ are vaccinated [1] As you mentioned their own vaccine is not very effective but they have also approved no foreign vaccines yet [2] They have far too few ICU beds to manage the surge if restrictions are dropped to, say, average EU levels [3] They seem to be trapped [1] https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202211/22/WS637c2416a31049175432b1dc.html https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202211/22/WS637c2416a3104917... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/25/china-covid-infection-vaccines-outbreak/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/25/china-covid-... [3] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/icu-beds-per-capita-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/icu-beds-...

thworp 4y ago
Let's just assume that the effect of "restrictions" on case numbers is proportional to their harshness (which looks dubious when looking at global stats). Let's also blindly trust the Chinese numbers (which showed <500 daily new cases for most of 2020-2021). You're still here justifying current deaths from starvation, fires, suicides with potential future deaths to covid. If an individual thinks like this they're a sociopath, but if governments do it they are "trapped".
- jahnu 4y ago
  I’m not justifying anything or arguing for or against anything. Thanks. Trapped meaning the available choices are limited to things the CCP don’t seem to want; unrest, use of foreign vaccines, or massive deaths etc. Again for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting what they should do or how they should do it.
cactusplant7374 4y ago
China is authoritarian without civil liberties. They could force all of the 80+ to vaccinate just as they force people to stay inside their apartments for months. There are three reasons they probably don't do this: 1) Their vaccines don't provide high enough protection to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system. 2) They have fostered mRNA conspiracy theories and pushing an mRNA vaccine would be a huge embarrassment to the communist party. 3) Beating the US by a wide margin on Covid deaths is a point of pride.

by jahnu 4y ago

thworp 4y ago

Let's just assume that the effect of "restrictions" on case numbers is proportional to their harshness (which looks dubious when looking at global stats). Let's also blindly trust the Chinese numbers (which showed <500 daily new cases for most of 2020-2021). You're still here justifying current deaths from starvation, fires, suicides with potential future deaths to covid. If an individual thinks like this they're a sociopath, but if governments do it they are "trapped".

jahnu 4y ago
I’m not justifying anything or arguing for or against anything. Thanks. Trapped meaning the available choices are limited to things the CCP don’t seem to want; unrest, use of foreign vaccines, or massive deaths etc. Again for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting what they should do or how they should do it.

cactusplant7374 4y ago

China is authoritarian without civil liberties. They could force all of the 80+ to vaccinate just as they force people to stay inside their apartments for months. There are three reasons they probably don't do this: 1) Their vaccines don't provide high enough protection to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system. 2) They have fostered mRNA conspiracy theories and pushing an mRNA vaccine would be a huge embarrassment to the communist party. 3) Beating the US by a wide margin on Covid deaths is a point of pride.