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Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. If they had done complete lockdown during 1st wave or during Delta wave it was one th

by i67vw3 4y ago

Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. If they had done complete lockdown during 1st wave or during Delta wave it was one thing (which they already did at that time and majority of world). But after 2 years it is something else. There literally is a world cup happening half around the world, with maskless people and stadiums filled to the brim. I have read online they are doing this nonsense due to various factions within CCP fighting with each other. This 'zero-covid' stuff as far as I know first started in Shanghai, which I heard the Shanghai CCP faction was fighting against the Xi faction. (Just some rumour I read on internet, no idea if it is true.)

mschuster91 4y ago
> Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. Among the unvaccinated (of which there still exist a shocking amount), it absolutely is harmful. Even amongst the triple or quadruple vaccinated, it can be dangerous. My s/o's sense of smell was impacted for months, we were out of work for two weeks - but a friend of ours for six months and she's still not at the performance mentally that she was prior to catching that virus. There's estimations that anything between 5 to 50% of cases end up as "long covid" [1] - and in a country like the US, which has had about 98 out of 331 million people infected with COVID, even going for the lower end with 10% still means almost ten million people whose productivity will be seriously impacted for a long time. Add on top of that that many people of labor intensive jobs moved on during the pandemic to better employment conditions... and you see the problems like we do in Germany: public transport has gone utterly downhill to outright collapsed in some regions because so many people catch COVID, RSV or other bugs and there aren't enough staff left to replace them, the medical system is ablaze because the workers are burnt out after three years of pandemic with the last two years having to listen to politicians that "the virus isn't bad" while they see in their daily work that the politicians are lying. The death toll was immense as well - for healthcare workers it's one thing if an old person dies of cancer or of old age because that's how life tends to end, but so many young and healthy people died as well. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01702-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01702-2
- paul_f 4y ago
  This is nonsense. Omicron is quite mild compared to the original strain. Death rates from COVID in western countries is now minimal. Time to move on
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Death is not the only metric that has an economic impact, that is the point. Yes, COVID is by far less deadly now than it was in the beginning, thanks to vaccines, medication and treatment knowledge. Nevertheless: When hundreds of thousands of people, especially in industries that make close contact with random people necessary such as healthcare, hospitality and public transport, get sick for weeks, the economy still suffers. Or, to use a pun I'd hoped to be able to avoid, but the opportunity is too good: How can we move on from the pandemic when public transport literally [1] doesn't move? How are people supposed to go to work when entire train grid cells are not working because the signalling controllers all have COVID? [1] https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/corona-und-stellenabbau-personalnot-bei-bahn-sorgt-fuer-viele-ausfaelle-in-ganz-hessen-v1,ausfaelle-bahn-100.html https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/corona-und-stellenabba...
  - wesleywt 4y ago
    After years of covid we still are getting ignorant comments like this.
- dreckigeZecke 4y ago
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  - InCityDreams 4y ago
    >stop spreading communist propaganda. Might be better stated: "[Please] Stop spreading Chinese Communist Party propaganda." The rest then makes sense.
  - wesleywt 4y ago
    This is completely insane.
baandam 4y ago
I think a poker analogy is the best way to frame it. At this point they are basically face saving "pot committed" to zero COVID. In a face saving culture you can't just come out tomorrow that zero COVID was a strategy that makes no sense when you went "all in". Ultimately, people would probably lose more faith in the party if they did a zero COVID 180. Surely we are over reacting to the few protests we see online. The vast majority of people in China are just going to go along with this.

by i67vw3 4y ago

mschuster91 4y ago

> Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. Among the unvaccinated (of which there still exist a shocking amount), it absolutely is harmful. Even amongst the triple or quadruple vaccinated, it can be dangerous. My s/o's sense of smell was impacted for months, we were out of work for two weeks - but a friend of ours for six months and she's still not at the performance mentally that she was prior to catching that virus. There's estimations that anything between 5 to 50% of cases end up as "long covid" [1] - and in a country like the US, which has had about 98 out of 331 million people infected with COVID, even going for the lower end with 10% still means almost ten million people whose productivity will be seriously impacted for a long time. Add on top of that that many people of labor intensive jobs moved on during the pandemic to better employment conditions... and you see the problems like we do in Germany: public transport has gone utterly downhill to outright collapsed in some regions because so many people catch COVID, RSV or other bugs and there aren't enough staff left to replace them, the medical system is ablaze because the workers are burnt out after three years of pandemic with the last two years having to listen to politicians that "the virus isn't bad" while they see in their daily work that the politicians are lying. The death toll was immense as well - for healthcare workers it's one thing if an old person dies of cancer or of old age because that's how life tends to end, but so many young and healthy people died as well. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01702-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01702-2

paul_f 4y ago
This is nonsense. Omicron is quite mild compared to the original strain. Death rates from COVID in western countries is now minimal. Time to move on
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Death is not the only metric that has an economic impact, that is the point. Yes, COVID is by far less deadly now than it was in the beginning, thanks to vaccines, medication and treatment knowledge. Nevertheless: When hundreds of thousands of people, especially in industries that make close contact with random people necessary such as healthcare, hospitality and public transport, get sick for weeks, the economy still suffers. Or, to use a pun I'd hoped to be able to avoid, but the opportunity is too good: How can we move on from the pandemic when public transport literally [1] doesn't move? How are people supposed to go to work when entire train grid cells are not working because the signalling controllers all have COVID? [1] https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/corona-und-stellenabbau-personalnot-bei-bahn-sorgt-fuer-viele-ausfaelle-in-ganz-hessen-v1,ausfaelle-bahn-100.html https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/corona-und-stellenabba...
- wesleywt 4y ago
  After years of covid we still are getting ignorant comments like this.
dreckigeZecke 4y ago
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- InCityDreams 4y ago
  >stop spreading communist propaganda. Might be better stated: "[Please] Stop spreading Chinese Communist Party propaganda." The rest then makes sense.
- wesleywt 4y ago
  This is completely insane.

baandam 4y ago

I think a poker analogy is the best way to frame it. At this point they are basically face saving "pot committed" to zero COVID. In a face saving culture you can't just come out tomorrow that zero COVID was a strategy that makes no sense when you went "all in". Ultimately, people would probably lose more faith in the party if they did a zero COVID 180. Surely we are over reacting to the few protests we see online. The vast majority of people in China are just going to go along with this.