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You seem to be under the misapprehensions that: - Anyone can re/claim any symbol - No other symbols have been banned You may not like or agree with it, but sy

You seem to be under the misapprehensions that: - Anyone can re/claim any symbol - No other symbols have been banned You may not like or agree with it, but symbols do have owners and they do matter. Look at today's news around the USA football team and the Iranian flag today for an example.

Waterluvian 4y ago
What I was (poorly) trying to communicate is that no one side gets ownership to dictate how a symbol is interpreted by or affects others. By that I mean that those who see it as a religious symbol and those who see it as a symbol of nazism need to be mindful of each other. Neither “group” has moral authority to tell the other that they’re wrong about the symbol’s meaning.
- squiffsquiff 4y ago
  I think you're shooting at the wrong target. There's a profound and unfortunate association with the swastika in the western world. It doesn't really matter if there are 'good intentions', there are plenty of people still using it today as hate symbol
  - philippejara 4y ago
    It doesn't really matter if there are 'bad intentions', there are plenty of people still using it today as religious symbol. At the end of the day people are free to believe whatever they want from people using a symbol, but it will only betray their own ignorance in its history and still active use in the non-western world. The idea that a symbol still currently used by probably billions shouldn't be used because of connections only westerners make is peak eurocentrism/UScentrism.
    - hulitu 4y ago
      > At the end of the day people are free to believe whatever they want from people using a symbol, No people are not free. Those symbols can land you in jail. > but it will only betray their own ignorance in its history and still active use in the non-western world. Yes, but this is desired. No state wants people who are able to think for themselves. People must do what they are told.
      - philippejara 4y ago
        >No people are not free. Those symbols can land you in jail. Aside from Russia which is hardly "western" and Germany are there other countries where the use of the symbol itself is an offense? I completely agree that the presumption of malice is silly, self-centered and it can cause unwarranted escalation however when push comes to shove it shouldn't go further than a neighbor's spat.

Waterluvian 4y ago

What I was (poorly) trying to communicate is that no one side gets ownership to dictate how a symbol is interpreted by or affects others. By that I mean that those who see it as a religious symbol and those who see it as a symbol of nazism need to be mindful of each other. Neither “group” has moral authority to tell the other that they’re wrong about the symbol’s meaning.

squiffsquiff 4y ago
I think you're shooting at the wrong target. There's a profound and unfortunate association with the swastika in the western world. It doesn't really matter if there are 'good intentions', there are plenty of people still using it today as hate symbol
- philippejara 4y ago
  It doesn't really matter if there are 'bad intentions', there are plenty of people still using it today as religious symbol. At the end of the day people are free to believe whatever they want from people using a symbol, but it will only betray their own ignorance in its history and still active use in the non-western world. The idea that a symbol still currently used by probably billions shouldn't be used because of connections only westerners make is peak eurocentrism/UScentrism.
  - hulitu 4y ago
    > At the end of the day people are free to believe whatever they want from people using a symbol, No people are not free. Those symbols can land you in jail. > but it will only betray their own ignorance in its history and still active use in the non-western world. Yes, but this is desired. No state wants people who are able to think for themselves. People must do what they are told.
    - philippejara 4y ago
      >No people are not free. Those symbols can land you in jail. Aside from Russia which is hardly "western" and Germany are there other countries where the use of the symbol itself is an offense? I completely agree that the presumption of malice is silly, self-centered and it can cause unwarranted escalation however when push comes to shove it shouldn't go further than a neighbor's spat.