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Well I have been in many meetings where folks would continuously drop F bombs just to shut others up or to be strongly opinionated. Many years ago these behavio

Well I have been in many meetings where folks would continuously drop F bombs just to shut others up or to be strongly opinionated. Many years ago these behavior would have been deemed as unprofessional , now in some places people don’t bat an eyelid when these happens. I see this culture as toxic which ultimately harms full inclusion.

GiorgioG 4y ago
Depends on the place, circumstance, people, i.e. context. I (and my teammates) regularly drop F-bombs when troubleshooting/debugging issues with coworkers I've worked with for 5+ years. Nobody bats an eye. Do we do it in all-hands meetings? Of course not. Having said that, being a jerk intentionally to shut someone up is unacceptable in a meeting regardless of whether it's done with swearing or not. Inclusion doesn't mean treating everyone like fragile butterflies. My neighbor is a 3rd level support agent for an enterprise storage hardware company that's very well known. He's been there for decades as has most of his team. They recently hired a new agent who took offense to my neighbor and one of his long-time coworkers chirping at each other (in good fun) on a team meeting call. No one took offense except this new person who took it straight to HR. It didn't take long for this new person to get on everyone's bad side and was then let go. Learn to read the situation.
- la64710 4y ago
  What you call fragile butterfly is called being professional. Learn to distinguish.
  - GiorgioG 4y ago
    And that's why culture-fit matters. There are places that are 'uptight' professional and others that are much more relaxed (most fall somewhere between the two.) No judgement of either environment types.
mancerayder 4y ago
What's non-inclusive specifically about F-bombs? It might not be great decorum, but that seems a bit heavy.
- la64710 4y ago
  That it discourages people who consider throwing F bombs as unprofessional to participate and is this non inclusive.

GiorgioG 4y ago

Depends on the place, circumstance, people, i.e. context. I (and my teammates) regularly drop F-bombs when troubleshooting/debugging issues with coworkers I've worked with for 5+ years. Nobody bats an eye. Do we do it in all-hands meetings? Of course not. Having said that, being a jerk intentionally to shut someone up is unacceptable in a meeting regardless of whether it's done with swearing or not. Inclusion doesn't mean treating everyone like fragile butterflies. My neighbor is a 3rd level support agent for an enterprise storage hardware company that's very well known. He's been there for decades as has most of his team. They recently hired a new agent who took offense to my neighbor and one of his long-time coworkers chirping at each other (in good fun) on a team meeting call. No one took offense except this new person who took it straight to HR. It didn't take long for this new person to get on everyone's bad side and was then let go. Learn to read the situation.

la64710 4y ago
What you call fragile butterfly is called being professional. Learn to distinguish.
- GiorgioG 4y ago
  And that's why culture-fit matters. There are places that are 'uptight' professional and others that are much more relaxed (most fall somewhere between the two.) No judgement of either environment types.

mancerayder 4y ago

What's non-inclusive specifically about F-bombs? It might not be great decorum, but that seems a bit heavy.

la64710 4y ago
That it discourages people who consider throwing F bombs as unprofessional to participate and is this non inclusive.