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>I left not long after and so did many others. The question from me is, did you manage to move to a company where you got paid the same or more, but for "a day
by ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>I left not long after and so did many others.
The question from me is, did you manage to move to a company where you got paid the same or more, but for "a day less hours"?
Employers can make that claim if the job market is in their favor, i.e. if most other companies agree with them and decide that they need staff available Mo-Fr 9-5 or for less hours but also for proportionally less salary, which to my experience is most employers.
To normalize this, we need the majority of employers (>51% of them) to switch to paying market rate for less hours, putting pressure on the rest that this is the new norm, but I haven't seen that yet in my EU country, except for a notable couple of companies that made headlines, out of which one recently filed for bankruptcy. So as long as only a tiny minority of companies are doing this, the norm will not change. All businesses here think like your ex-boss: 'Why should I pay you the same for a day less?’ and the market favors their approach as they have seen no mass resignations since they all can afford to act like this.
Therefore, the only solution would be the same as the one that lead to the 8 hour workweek being normalized almost 100 years ago: mass strikes and labor movements followed by government regulations that makes the 4 day workweek the new norm for everyone.
- benmanns 4y agoI don’t think you need 51% to affect things at the margins. At one company, we were early to the “remote is OK” and “remote is good” camps. It helped a lot with recruiting and retention, and let us hire a better talent pool. Post-COVID with everyone offering remote the benefit has dwindled for companies early to accept remote work. I think someone offering 4 day work weeks would be able to hire talent they wouldn’t normally be able to. If the promise of “same productivity, less hours, same pay” is true, then they’ll outperform and out recruit. Mass strikes are certainly quicker though.
- katbyte 4y agothis is a real good point, pre covid being remote was a good perk. something i didn't even know i wanted. now its a basic requirement for me to consider a job. now if someone offered me same pay, but a 4day work week, my interest would be peeked. not only that people who've had time off to destress/etc do better work. 2 days for a weekend doesn't really do that. 3 days is almost like a mini vacation and everyone is in high spirits after a 3 day weekend
- loonster 4y agoI would take Wednesdays off. No more than 1 day away from a day off. Need to schedule an appointment for anything: Wednesday.
- belorn 4y agoConflicts are often about signals and what is being said between the lines, rather than factually outcomes. My interpretation of the above comment is that the employer could have had made the same decision, but phrased in such a way that employees still felt valued for their work beyond that just sitting at the desk from 9am-5.30pm. A few years ago in Sweden one of the top businesses leaders scoffed at tax evasion and basically said that why should he pay taxes if he can afford to avoid it. The statement annoyed people, and did so much more than just the fact of tax evasion. It actually resulted in him being forced to step down from several of his position. Employers are rarely rewarded for scoffing and treating employees like they are not worth anything.