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Why would you need to market? You just follow users on other servers and post your thoughts. It's no more marketing than any social space has to be.

autotune 4y ago
Oh it's that connected? For some reason I thought it was more involved. Maybe I will look into hosting it on the personal EKS cluster and get some real use out of it looks like it would be as simple as installing the https://artifacthub.io/packages/helm/si-gitops/mastodon https://artifacthub.io/packages/helm/si-gitops/mastodon helm chart and setting up a domain. Thanks for convincing me ha.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  Unless you want 100% Mastodon API / quirks compatibility, I'd skip the original Mastodon source and go for something like Akkoma[1] (it's a fork of Pleroma) - easier to install and much lighter in resource use. If you're only ever going to be single-user, Ktistec[2] might be worth a look Or if you want to go ultra-minimal, there's Honk[3]. (GoToSocial is an up-and-comer but I'm having weird issues with it talking to other instances. But they're working on these things.) [1] https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ [2] https://github.com/toddsundsted/ktistec https://github.com/toddsundsted/ktistec [3] https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk
  - autotune 4y ago
    I kind of just want to self host right now with 100% Mastodon API compatibility, but I am a SRE and enjoy making personal infrastructure needlessly complex to reflect what you might see in an enterprise setup :)
lijogdfljk 4y ago
How does federation propagation happen? Ie if i start my own server, how quickly could someone on, say, mastodon.art see my posts? Would they even see them at all? I use them as an example, because i know they're fairly locked down on who they federate with. In doing so, maybe they only whitelist? Maybe they blacklist? Maybe they automatically blacklist any servers that aren't perfectly aligned with their own blacklist? Federation feels a bit convoluted in a way that email doesn't. Then again email became so convoluted that only a few big players are even really allowed.. so maybe Mastodon is heading in the same direction?
- blep_ 4y ago
  > how quickly could someone on, say, mastodon.art see my posts? Would they even see them at all? As soon as someone from there follows you. Post federation is based entirely on that. The bootstrapping process here is social, not technical, and usually looks like "follow a few people and some of them will follow you back and boost your stuff". Since you asked about .art specifically, I run a single user instance and I can follow people there. I'm pretty sure they just blacklist aggressively.
  - lijogdfljk 4y ago
    If you reply to people on something like .art, would they see your post? I need to read the spec about how federation works, as i have no clue haha. Which might be a significant barrier. Non-tech users might have no clue who sees what. If ServerA can talk to ServerB. etc
    - rakoo 4y ago
      Why yes, if you reply to someone they will see you reply, unless they or their admin has blocked you or your instance. Just like any federated network.
      - lijogdfljk 4y ago
        > unless they or their admin has blocked you or your instance. Just like any federated network. That's kinda the part i'm questioning though. You as a user have to look at how each server handles federation to know what is visible.. maybe? For sake of argument, it might be possible to one-way-federate. Ie read posts from mastodon.art, but if i reply my post might not be seen by mastodon.art users. This is just an example, i have no clue, but i'm illustrating where confusing could arise as rules get more complex on how federation works. Hopefully it's black and white. If i as a user can see mastodon.art posts, then they can see me. Anything more complex than that (like one-way federation) would be prevented by the software for sake of a simplified UX.
        4y ago

autotune 4y ago

Oh it's that connected? For some reason I thought it was more involved. Maybe I will look into hosting it on the personal EKS cluster and get some real use out of it looks like it would be as simple as installing the https://artifacthub.io/packages/helm/si-gitops/mastodon https://artifacthub.io/packages/helm/si-gitops/mastodon helm chart and setting up a domain. Thanks for convincing me ha.

zimpenfish 4y ago
Unless you want 100% Mastodon API / quirks compatibility, I'd skip the original Mastodon source and go for something like Akkoma[1] (it's a fork of Pleroma) - easier to install and much lighter in resource use. If you're only ever going to be single-user, Ktistec[2] might be worth a look Or if you want to go ultra-minimal, there's Honk[3]. (GoToSocial is an up-and-comer but I'm having weird issues with it talking to other instances. But they're working on these things.) [1] https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ [2] https://github.com/toddsundsted/ktistec https://github.com/toddsundsted/ktistec [3] https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk
- autotune 4y ago
  I kind of just want to self host right now with 100% Mastodon API compatibility, but I am a SRE and enjoy making personal infrastructure needlessly complex to reflect what you might see in an enterprise setup :)

lijogdfljk 4y ago

How does federation propagation happen? Ie if i start my own server, how quickly could someone on, say, mastodon.art see my posts? Would they even see them at all? I use them as an example, because i know they're fairly locked down on who they federate with. In doing so, maybe they only whitelist? Maybe they blacklist? Maybe they automatically blacklist any servers that aren't perfectly aligned with their own blacklist? Federation feels a bit convoluted in a way that email doesn't. Then again email became so convoluted that only a few big players are even really allowed.. so maybe Mastodon is heading in the same direction?

blep_ 4y ago
> how quickly could someone on, say, mastodon.art see my posts? Would they even see them at all? As soon as someone from there follows you. Post federation is based entirely on that. The bootstrapping process here is social, not technical, and usually looks like "follow a few people and some of them will follow you back and boost your stuff". Since you asked about .art specifically, I run a single user instance and I can follow people there. I'm pretty sure they just blacklist aggressively.
- lijogdfljk 4y ago
  If you reply to people on something like .art, would they see your post? I need to read the spec about how federation works, as i have no clue haha. Which might be a significant barrier. Non-tech users might have no clue who sees what. If ServerA can talk to ServerB. etc
  - rakoo 4y ago
    Why yes, if you reply to someone they will see you reply, unless they or their admin has blocked you or your instance. Just like any federated network.
    - lijogdfljk 4y ago
      > unless they or their admin has blocked you or your instance. Just like any federated network. That's kinda the part i'm questioning though. You as a user have to look at how each server handles federation to know what is visible.. maybe? For sake of argument, it might be possible to one-way-federate. Ie read posts from mastodon.art, but if i reply my post might not be seen by mastodon.art users. This is just an example, i have no clue, but i'm illustrating where confusing could arise as rules get more complex on how federation works. Hopefully it's black and white. If i as a user can see mastodon.art posts, then they can see me. Anything more complex than that (like one-way federation) would be prevented by the software for sake of a simplified UX.
      - 4y ago