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40 hours work vs 40 hours office is not the same thing though. Maybe diminishing return starts at 30 hours of work, but still you can benefit from some relaxed

40 hours work vs 40 hours office is not the same thing though. Maybe diminishing return starts at 30 hours of work, but still you can benefit from some relaxed schedule at the office. 30 hours work at 40 hours office time vs 30 hours work at 30 hours office time would have different outputs for sure.

akiselev 4y ago
If those 10 relaxed hours actually mattered there’d be a measurable productivity drop. If it’s not measurable or significant, then those 10 hours don’t matter and we should get them back for stuff that does.
- pc86 4y ago
  No company is measuring hourly productivity, especially in anything beyond the lowest levels.
  - lolinder 4y ago
    It doesn't matter—if a company joins in one of these experiments and drops everyone to 32 hours, we should see a decrease in company-wide productivity if OP is correct that the downtime is useful. If it's not useful, then we should see stable or increased productivity (which is what most companies are reporting).
    - bluesign 4y ago
      I don't disagree but 100:80:100 has also stuff like this: > Certain teams/divisions were unable to fully (or partially) participate in the trial as a result. Others found themselves working compressed working hours (10 hours in 4 days) as opposed to reduced working hours. Managers, across all levels, seem to find it particularly difficult to reduce their working hours, as one respondent says, ‘the work just doesn’t stop’. > At times, this concern was connected with a reported perception of ‘variable behavioural change’ whereby some employees improved their workplace behaviours while others ‘took it as a gift and didn’t change’.
      - pc86 4y ago
        Even if some workers stay the same and some improve their behavior, that would overall be an increase in productivity which seems to line up with what most companies report after running these types of trials. Organizationally, you care more about total output than any one individual. If you have good managers you can trust them to address the individual variances if and when they see fit. 32 hours a week would be great but I'd even be thrilled to have the opportunity for 4x10 instead of 5x8.

akiselev 4y ago

If those 10 relaxed hours actually mattered there’d be a measurable productivity drop. If it’s not measurable or significant, then those 10 hours don’t matter and we should get them back for stuff that does.

pc86 4y ago
No company is measuring hourly productivity, especially in anything beyond the lowest levels.
- lolinder 4y ago
  It doesn't matter—if a company joins in one of these experiments and drops everyone to 32 hours, we should see a decrease in company-wide productivity if OP is correct that the downtime is useful. If it's not useful, then we should see stable or increased productivity (which is what most companies are reporting).
  - bluesign 4y ago
    I don't disagree but 100:80:100 has also stuff like this: > Certain teams/divisions were unable to fully (or partially) participate in the trial as a result. Others found themselves working compressed working hours (10 hours in 4 days) as opposed to reduced working hours. Managers, across all levels, seem to find it particularly difficult to reduce their working hours, as one respondent says, ‘the work just doesn’t stop’. > At times, this concern was connected with a reported perception of ‘variable behavioural change’ whereby some employees improved their workplace behaviours while others ‘took it as a gift and didn’t change’.
    - pc86 4y ago
      Even if some workers stay the same and some improve their behavior, that would overall be an increase in productivity which seems to line up with what most companies report after running these types of trials. Organizationally, you care more about total output than any one individual. If you have good managers you can trust them to address the individual variances if and when they see fit. 32 hours a week would be great but I'd even be thrilled to have the opportunity for 4x10 instead of 5x8.