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The Guardian also reports on war. Does this mean you can go to war for the Guardian?

logifail 4y ago
Dozens of articles but no genuine explanation of the employer's end of this issue. If the Guardian newspaper were to let all its staffers take every Friday off without any reduction in pay, I wholeheartedly agree that the staff would be much happier and more productive too (at least on Mondays to Thursdays, when they're actually working). However, wouldn't the newspaper EITHER need to cancel Saturday's edition completely, thus losing a big chunk of revenue, OR employ more part-time staff to cover the missing work on Fridays - and out of interest, where would the money for those additional fractional salaries come from? Are we seriously suggesting that the product on Monday to Thursday becomes so much better due to the happier staff that consumers are going to pay more for it? <boggle> "Details", I can almost hear you say :)
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Aren’t the Guardian reporting news? Rather than giving an option themselves? It isn’t a gotcha to say the Guardian don’t do it, unless you think it’s a gotcha that they reported on the invasion of Ukraine but have not also invaded Ukraine.
  - logifail 4y ago
    > It isn’t a gotcha to say the Guardian don’t do it, unless you think it’s a gotcha that they reported on the invasion of Ukraine but have not also invaded Ukraine. From one of their articles on this topic, from June 2022: "More than 3,300 workers at 70 UK companies, ranging from a local chippy to large financial firms, start working a four-day week from Monday with no loss of pay in the world’s biggest trial of the new working pattern."[0] "The trial is based on the 100:80:100 model – 100% of pay for 80% of the time, in exchange for a commitment to maintain 100% productivity" Q: How can you 'maintain 100% productivity' when you're not there 20% of the time? Like I already said, no actual discussion on how this can [possibly] work in practice at any company. They certainly don't say whether the chippy is going to be closed every Friday when all the previously "full time" staff are having their additional day off... The issue suits someone's agenda, though, or why would they be pushing it so hard? [0] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/06/thousands-workers-worlds-biggest-trial-four-day-week https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/06/thousands-w...
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      > Q: How can you 'maintain 100% productivity' when you're not there 20% of the time? That's a question for the 4 Day Week Campaign, not for the Guardian, and the research they publish and the people who peer-review it. The Guardian are reporting what other people think and say, not thinking it or saying it themselves.
      - logifail 4y ago
        > That's a question for the 4 Day Week Campaign, not for the Guardian Umm ... I don't think we get to give media outlets a free pass like that. Reporters used to ask these questions and get answers before they published. Gushingly positive reporting about a topic that your reporters and/or your readership agree with is almost certainly part of the reason that only 25% of people trust journalists[0]. I suppose that's marginally more than than trust politicians (21%)... :) "[The Guardian has] a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation [..] Overall, we rate The Guardian Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks over the last five years." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/ I'd never come across mediabiasfactcheck.com until a friend recently referred me to it over a source that I'd quoted which he claimed was biased :) Full disclosure: I grew up in a household where The Guardian was on the breakfast table every day, and I still call up theguardian.com every morning. Either it's changed, or I've changed :( [0] https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/politicians-are-still-trusted-less-estate-agents-journalists-and-bankers https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/politicians-are-still-trusted-le...
- varispeed 4y ago
  > where would the money for those additional fractional salaries come from? From corporate profits. It's not like they are struggling.

Dozens of articles but no genuine explanation of the employer's end of this issue. If the Guardian newspaper were to let all its staffers take every Friday off without any reduction in pay, I wholeheartedly agree that the staff would be much happier and more productive too (at least on Mondays to Thursdays, when they're actually working). However, wouldn't the newspaper EITHER need to cancel Saturday's edition completely, thus losing a big chunk of revenue, OR employ more part-time staff to cover the missing work on Fridays - and out of interest, where would the money for those additional fractional salaries come from? Are we seriously suggesting that the product on Monday to Thursday becomes so much better due to the happier staff that consumers are going to pay more for it? <boggle> "Details", I can almost hear you say :)

chrisseaton 4y ago
Aren’t the Guardian reporting news? Rather than giving an option themselves? It isn’t a gotcha to say the Guardian don’t do it, unless you think it’s a gotcha that they reported on the invasion of Ukraine but have not also invaded Ukraine.
- logifail 4y ago
  > It isn’t a gotcha to say the Guardian don’t do it, unless you think it’s a gotcha that they reported on the invasion of Ukraine but have not also invaded Ukraine. From one of their articles on this topic, from June 2022: "More than 3,300 workers at 70 UK companies, ranging from a local chippy to large financial firms, start working a four-day week from Monday with no loss of pay in the world’s biggest trial of the new working pattern."[0] "The trial is based on the 100:80:100 model – 100% of pay for 80% of the time, in exchange for a commitment to maintain 100% productivity" Q: How can you 'maintain 100% productivity' when you're not there 20% of the time? Like I already said, no actual discussion on how this can [possibly] work in practice at any company. They certainly don't say whether the chippy is going to be closed every Friday when all the previously "full time" staff are having their additional day off... The issue suits someone's agenda, though, or why would they be pushing it so hard? [0] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/06/thousands-workers-worlds-biggest-trial-four-day-week https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/06/thousands-w...
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    > Q: How can you 'maintain 100% productivity' when you're not there 20% of the time? That's a question for the 4 Day Week Campaign, not for the Guardian, and the research they publish and the people who peer-review it. The Guardian are reporting what other people think and say, not thinking it or saying it themselves.
    - logifail 4y ago
      > That's a question for the 4 Day Week Campaign, not for the Guardian Umm ... I don't think we get to give media outlets a free pass like that. Reporters used to ask these questions and get answers before they published. Gushingly positive reporting about a topic that your reporters and/or your readership agree with is almost certainly part of the reason that only 25% of people trust journalists[0]. I suppose that's marginally more than than trust politicians (21%)... :) "[The Guardian has] a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information but may require further investigation [..] Overall, we rate The Guardian Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks over the last five years." https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/ I'd never come across mediabiasfactcheck.com until a friend recently referred me to it over a source that I'd quoted which he claimed was biased :) Full disclosure: I grew up in a household where The Guardian was on the breakfast table every day, and I still call up theguardian.com every morning. Either it's changed, or I've changed :( [0] https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/politicians-are-still-trusted-less-estate-agents-journalists-and-bankers https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/politicians-are-still-trusted-le...
varispeed 4y ago
> where would the money for those additional fractional salaries come from? From corporate profits. It's not like they are struggling.