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The absense of tech will eventually lead to the demise of Homo Sapiens species, since every species have expiry date. It may evolve into something different but

The absense of tech will eventually lead to the demise of Homo Sapiens species, since every species have expiry date. It may evolve into something different but also disappear as an evolutionary dead end.

officialjunk 4y ago
there will be evolutionary progression even without an absence of tech. homo sapiens will be gone at some point.
- wrycoder 4y ago
  But, the replacement is likely to be a descendant, not a distant cousin. Unless aliens.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    There may not be any descendants. It is not known.
anonporridge 4y ago
The disappearance of the specific species Home Sapiens doesn't seem terribly important in my opinion, especially if it is supplanted by a descendant species. But the absence of tech WILL eventually lead to the demise of life on Earth and consciousness in this little patch of the universe, because the planet Earth's ability to host life has an expiration date. This is why I have no room in my mind for the anti-tech memes. A future where we live as primitive farmers or hunter gatherers for a few more hundred million years until the sun starts expanding and boils the oceans driving all complex life to extinction simply isn't an interesting enough future to get excited about contributing to. The only way to avoid this future is to become a space faring civilization, and I think the existential risks present in that process are worth it, because the payoff of success drastically overwhelms the alternative. I want to be an ancestor of a multi trillion year type 3 civilization that develops levels of consciousness, awareness, and understanding of reality that we can't even begin to imagine.
- maxbond 4y ago
  Lanier is clearly advocating for appropriate technologies and not primitivism. We can doom ourselves on a much shorter timescale then the remaining lifetime of the sun.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  > especially if it is supplanted by a descendant species Don't see why you take that for granted.

officialjunk 4y ago

there will be evolutionary progression even without an absence of tech. homo sapiens will be gone at some point.

wrycoder 4y ago
But, the replacement is likely to be a descendant, not a distant cousin. Unless aliens.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  There may not be any descendants. It is not known.

anonporridge 4y ago

The disappearance of the specific species Home Sapiens doesn't seem terribly important in my opinion, especially if it is supplanted by a descendant species. But the absence of tech WILL eventually lead to the demise of life on Earth and consciousness in this little patch of the universe, because the planet Earth's ability to host life has an expiration date. This is why I have no room in my mind for the anti-tech memes. A future where we live as primitive farmers or hunter gatherers for a few more hundred million years until the sun starts expanding and boils the oceans driving all complex life to extinction simply isn't an interesting enough future to get excited about contributing to. The only way to avoid this future is to become a space faring civilization, and I think the existential risks present in that process are worth it, because the payoff of success drastically overwhelms the alternative. I want to be an ancestor of a multi trillion year type 3 civilization that develops levels of consciousness, awareness, and understanding of reality that we can't even begin to imagine.

maxbond 4y ago
Lanier is clearly advocating for appropriate technologies and not primitivism. We can doom ourselves on a much shorter timescale then the remaining lifetime of the sun.
thriftwy 4y ago
> especially if it is supplanted by a descendant species Don't see why you take that for granted.