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> Narcissistic collapse isn’t an official psychiatric term, and it hasn’t been extensively researched. The most important sentence in the whole post. It is ni
by eduction 4y ago
> Narcissistic collapse isn’t an official psychiatric term, and it hasn’t been extensively researched.
The most important sentence in the whole post.
It is nice to have a common and simple language with which to talk about our emotions and mental health, and tempting (and probably sometimes useful) to try and diagnose others. Particularly given that many people are uncomfortable just talking about these topics without medical (or pseudo medical) labels. But this article seems to provide a shallow framework with which laymen can purportedly diagnose others, without citing any real scientific, medical, or really evidentiary basis of any kind. Fun to read but I am wary of it.
- __jambo 4y agoI agree. Narcissism is a just a term in pop-psychology for someone who is doing something we don't like. This article is damaging because it provides people justification to use an overly-simplistic generalised theory to instead of doing the real work of understanding the other person. Doing this amounts to gaslighting and degrades the ability of the two parties to have a meaningful discussion based on real events rather than bogus disconnected internet dogma.
- antisthenes 4y agoThe worst part is that it dehumanizes the person who might legitimately have a mental illness condition. When shitty pop-sci articles like this "helpfully" label certain behaviors as bad-sounding medical terms, it helps no one. It just cements the stigma of mental illness in society and prevents people from seeking help. I've recently adopted a very strong principle - I will vehemently oppose any kind of narrative that puts down people with mental illness, because I believe it to be cruel and unhelpful at best, and malicious and sadistic at worst.
- snoot 4y ago> it helps no one Incorrect. It helps people who are trying to relate to those with NPD.
- lamontcg 4y agoPeople can be mentally ill in ways that the rest of society won't tolerate, particularly when their mental illness is exploitative of others.
- DoItToMe81 4y agoNobody should be expected to tolerate people who will try to manipulate, degrade and harm them. Mental illness, outside of the most extreme cases, does not rob you of your individual ability to act. Narcissists are not compulsed to hurt other people by forces out of their control, they choose to give in.
- scandox 4y ago> Narcissism is a just a term in pop-psychology for someone who is doing something we don't like. Nobody who has lived with this type of person would agree with you. Yes for scientific or legal purposes one may require a high burden of evidence. But for everyday usage the narcissist terminology is a life saver for many people who may otherwise not understand the behavior of these dangerous individuals.
- __jambo 4y agoI mean would you say that a "jerk" or "asshole" is also a lifesaving word?
- JoeAltmaier 4y agoLots of dismissive claims. But nothing to back it up. And boy howdy will research back up the other view - that it's a real thing with real victims. It's comfortable to deny things that challenge a world view. But not helpful.
- porknubbins 4y agoRather than using psych labels that I am not qualified to identify I find it is usually better to describe real behavior patterns. I noticed even phD psychologists are reluctant to diagnose people with disorders whom they have not met.
- fnordpiglet 4y agoI think it’s more than reluctant, it’s a core tenet of the field. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_rule https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_rule From the APA ethics guidelines: However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorization for such a statement.
- jjtheblunt 4y agowhat constitutes an official psychiatric term?