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Is this not the same thing as an "ego death"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death

emblaegh 4y ago
Reading the description of both, I can't think why would anyone think they refer to the same thing.
mda 4y ago
I don't think they are related.
noasaservice 4y ago
Not at all the same thing. Ego-death can be brought on by yourself, with extreme introspection and seeing yourself from inside your body. The end is realizing your body is not you. This sometimes can be done by situations, but usually done in some branches of psychology, or by an occult practice. Narcissistic collapse is when the facade of control by a narcissist is collapsed down around them forcefully, and they then have to deal with the fact they are not the center of the universe. This loss of control causes them to spiral inward, and then lash outwardly very violently. They , in almost all cases, lack the capability of addressing the causes of narcissism or the damage they cause others.
- the_doctah 4y ago
  I see the term ego death used in relation to people taking hero doses of Psilocybin.
  - tokai 4y ago
    Its just a fancy way of saying dissociation.
    - crawfordcomeaux 4y ago
      I've got friends who go into reactive dissociative states. Rarely do they emerge with a new story of self where they've grown through what they triggered around. I'm saying rarely here to account for the fact that while I've never witnessed it, I'm not saying it's impossible. This is definitely not the case for friends or myself who've experienced ego death, with or without psychedelics.
- thenerdhead 4y ago
  Great explanation. I still see them somewhat the same, but can see that perhaps a collapse is an event before/during an ego death. Somewhat similar to narcissistic mortification where a great revelation can have a complete change of heart. While it's practical in storytelling (Christmas Carol, The Grinch, etc), you are right. It's very rare in reality for one to address the causes. Instead they may stay stuck in their ways or double down until their ultimate demise (Moby Dick, Great Gatsby, etc)
fzzzy 4y ago
No. This is the ego desperately trying not to die.

emblaegh 4y ago

Reading the description of both, I can't think why would anyone think they refer to the same thing.

mda 4y ago

I don't think they are related.

noasaservice 4y ago

Not at all the same thing. Ego-death can be brought on by yourself, with extreme introspection and seeing yourself from inside your body. The end is realizing your body is not you. This sometimes can be done by situations, but usually done in some branches of psychology, or by an occult practice. Narcissistic collapse is when the facade of control by a narcissist is collapsed down around them forcefully, and they then have to deal with the fact they are not the center of the universe. This loss of control causes them to spiral inward, and then lash outwardly very violently. They , in almost all cases, lack the capability of addressing the causes of narcissism or the damage they cause others.

the_doctah 4y ago
I see the term ego death used in relation to people taking hero doses of Psilocybin.
- tokai 4y ago
  Its just a fancy way of saying dissociation.
  - crawfordcomeaux 4y ago
    I've got friends who go into reactive dissociative states. Rarely do they emerge with a new story of self where they've grown through what they triggered around. I'm saying rarely here to account for the fact that while I've never witnessed it, I'm not saying it's impossible. This is definitely not the case for friends or myself who've experienced ego death, with or without psychedelics.
thenerdhead 4y ago
Great explanation. I still see them somewhat the same, but can see that perhaps a collapse is an event before/during an ego death. Somewhat similar to narcissistic mortification where a great revelation can have a complete change of heart. While it's practical in storytelling (Christmas Carol, The Grinch, etc), you are right. It's very rare in reality for one to address the causes. Instead they may stay stuck in their ways or double down until their ultimate demise (Moby Dick, Great Gatsby, etc)

fzzzy 4y ago

No. This is the ego desperately trying not to die.