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Can't think of anyone this might be happening to right now. Not one person. Definitely not anyone rich or famous.

• outsidetheparty 4y ago
  Pretty sure I’ve got it narrowed down to two possibilities
  • jfghi 4y ago
    My guess was chief twit. Is the other one chief invader?
    • derwiki 4y ago
      Or Ye
    • deleted 4y ago
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  • synu 4y ago
    Only two? It seems most celebrities are going through something like this near constantly. Or at least they are simulating it since the drama attracts more views, reinforcing the celebrity.
    • pydry 4y ago
      It's a bit more obvious in some. E.g. kanye.
      • greenhorn360 4y ago
        Kanye is clearly having a manic episode. It's not narcissistic collapse
        • tartoran 4y ago
          We can’t diagnose from the keyboard, only speculate. So why not having both? Kanye strikes me as a classic narcissist, he likened himself with a messiah and so on. While at the same time I trust the leaked diagnose he actually received as bipolar.
          • greenhorn360 4y ago
            You're of course correct. And I'm not a mental health professional. But as someone who has known several people diagnosed with NPD and bipolar. Kanye screams bipolar manic episode to me. The difference seems subtle until you've seen both close up.
          • ModernMech 4y ago
            > Kanye strikes me as a classic narcissist, he likened himself with a messiah and so on. While at the same time I trust the leaked diagnose he actually received as bipolar. Delusions of grandeur are a common symptom of bipolar mania. His diagnosis explains everything. If he's experiencing a manic episode now, it's hard to draw any conclusions at all about his baseline personality (which may in fact be narcissistic).
          • LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
            > he likened himself with a messiah I think most narcissists only metaphorically think they're the next coming of christ, and most of them are too self-aware to say it even if they didn't. If someone tells you they're Christ, or Napoleon, think schizophrenia or bipolar or manic-depressive before narcissism.
  • more_corn 4y ago
    Unfortunately as long as enablers stand by them narcissists are protected from collapse. People who have or claim to have billions of dollars always seem to find yes-men hoping to profit by association.
    • swayvil 4y ago
      Ain't that the truth. I know one extremely wealthy person (inherited his father's company). Can barely feed himself. Spends his days waxing his collection of luxury automobiles, immersed in superhero fantasy and stalking women. Truly a carcass of a man. But his every passing whim and crisis is the axis of existence for his gibbering swarm of sucker-creatures. He has a truly wonderful support system.
• indy 4y ago
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  • more_corn 4y ago
    I first thought this article was going to be a metaphor tying individual narcissistic collapse to the economic upheaval.
  • 1attice 4y ago
    • the_doctah 4y ago
      >I'm scared because every day or two I see another article on HN that uses Free Speech, a precious and vital political freedom, as a way of spreading fear and hate. And I see the heads nodding along. And you, like seemingly increasing amounts of people, fail to understand the mechanics of free speech. The part you don't understand is that hate is protected. And that is just as important to protect as any other free speech.
      • fzeroracer 4y ago
        Well no, depending on where you live 'hate' is not protected for one. And for two, it should be obvious that there is no such even handed methods of protection going on, considering how quickly Twitter is banning even mildly left-leaning voices under false pretenses elevated by liars and charlatans. There is no 'free speech' being protected. It's speech for me and not for thee. Which is hypocritical coming from Musk.
        • the_doctah 4y ago
          I didn't say anything about Twitter.
        • luckylion 4y ago
          > Twitter is banning even mildly left-leaning voices under false pretenses elevated by liars and charlatans. Who? That one comedian who impersonated Musk? She has been reinstated, hasn't she?
• mardifoufs 4y ago
  My god. You guys are starting to sound like the insane anti-vaxxers blaming everything and anything on Bill Gates. It's okay to not make every single discussion about Musk
  • engineer_22 4y ago
    I'm getting tired of the Muskshaming too
  • LastTrain 4y ago
    Pretty sure they were referring to Trump and Ye, but GP left it open so you have yourself to thank for assuming it is Musk.
    • philwelch 4y ago
      None of the three frankly make sense to me. Musk is winning rather than collapsing, Trump had his collapse two years ago, and Ye is going through something else right now.
  • zach_garwood 4y ago
    I thought they were talking about Donald Trump, but go off I guess.
  • fundad 4y ago
    what’s he ever done to invite this kind of attention to his day to day decisions?
    • luckylion 4y ago
      Being extremely successful is more than enough to get both fans and haters, neither are rational in their emotions towards the person/company/organization.
  • bloopernova 4y ago
    Like it or not, he's a huge part of the public discussion right now. He used outsized power to take control of a public square, and has let previously disruptive individuals back into that public square. (And Twitter is a public square. Governments, celebrities, charities and more all use it to communicate with people, and news organizations report on the goings-on there.) I disagree with assigning a Narcissistic collapse to Musk though, I don't think he fits the criteria laid out in the article. Kanye West may fit, but his other untreated mental illness makes that difficult to separate from the narcissism that drives some of his actions. trump, of course, fits NPD, but again I don't think he's collapsing right now. putin as well doesn't seem to be collapsing despite what's happening to the russian military in Ukraine. While I wish I didn't have to hear anything else about Musk, he's an incredibly powerful person who can effect massive change in our society. Whether that's right or wrong depends on your personal views, but I personally believe that no one person should have that power unless it has been temporarily granted to them by a government in a time of great need.
• winternett 4y ago
  This to me is pretty much anyone with a social media account... Us as laypeople read an article like this and immediately begin to assess who we know that fits the mold, when we aren't properly trained in human psychology. Having an ego or thick skin is essential to survival in today's world, Heck The Rock has an entire TV show dedicated to stories of his childhood... Yet somehow psychology now wants to convince us that the spectrum for chaos goes from The Rock, To Donald Trump, To your Dad... It not helpful at all to me, and it seems like it only drives polarization rather than problem resolution. I also don't believe that humans stay fixed in one phase, like narcissism or depression, which makes treatment sometimes a really harmful, and often an ineffective but torturous thing to people that receive the classification and treatment. I respect the fields of psychology and psychiatry, but it seems to me like since the pandemic, they have attracted some highly opportunistic individuals that make generalized characterizations of personalities that truly don't help with problem resolution, but they serve to drive sales of pharmaceuticals and services. This article advertises "Better Help", a company that totally inundated social media during covid lockdowns. That same company (Better Help) ran TV commercials around that time to, and became popular out of nowhere. I assume they made a lot of money off of mental health marketing because even my family members and friends began to tell me about the company, how telehealth services for mental health did not work well for them, and how the company quickly billed them for undelivered services. If you look up the definition for "BiPolar" it literally looks to me like it includes absolutely everyone I know -- Symptoms - Bipolar disorder feeling sad, hopeless or irritable most of the time. lacking energy. difficulty concentrating and remembering things. loss of interest in everyday activities. feelings of emptiness or worthlessness. feelings of guilt and despair. feeling pessimistic about everything. self-doubt. SOURCE: https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/bipolar-disorder/symptoms/ https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/bipolar-disorder... That is any of us (conveniently) throughout our lives... Including some highly functional and responsibly motivated people. We go through peaks and valleys in life, If all modern psychiatry does is seek to drive medication and counselling profit and to generalize conditions across very different people to gaslight and create paranoia for profit, it's a highly problematic and costly threat towards our future. Right now, in many states, individuals can file mental health petitions against friends and family members that get them involuntarily detained, even when they haven't committed any crimes, have no history of drug abuse, and have not shown any violent behavior. It's based on generalized conditions that the industry issues like this, and like the one for bipolar... It can and is being weaponized against many people, and it also drives a vast amount of unexpected medical billing for affected individuals that didn't even consent to being detained for the evaluations. My advice is to be very wary of psychology for profit, and advice from companies that drive it.
• swayvil 4y ago
  You know a lot of rich, famous people, eh? Interesting. Are you a Hollywood agent? An estate lawyer? Bodyguard? I know exactly 3 rich people. None famous.
• the_doctah 4y ago
  Why don't you just state your theory without being unnecessarily coy?
  • deebosong 4y ago
    I'm not the person you're responding to, but to me it seems like a straightforward and commonly used technique. The sentence is intentionally crafted for comedic effect via sarcasm, given the general audience that comprises HN, and given what's being pumped across all social media platforms & news media outlets. to say it directly is to utterly remove any comedic/ sarcastic effect. whether you find it funny/ effective is up to you, though.
• dang 4y ago
  Please don't post this sort of dross to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  • albedoa 4y ago
    Hey man. You have more influence and power here than the person you are replying to. Maybe use it to set the tone you want cultivated?: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33763836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33763836
    • dang 4y ago
      You're at least partly right and may be quite right, but I did choose that word consciously. The difference between what I wrote here and the moderation boilerplate I traditionally post (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20destroys&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...) is that I used a word with a bit more energy in it. I did that because I feel like the culture here might be ready to take a step further toward recognizing that sort of comment as what we're trying to avoid (because it gets in the way of what we are trying for). Also, I was careful to use a word that is only about the content and in no way personal.
  • mabbo 4y ago
    Hey, just want you to know that you're right, I was being an ass. You do a great job at keeping this place worth coming to.