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No I certainly do not expect any car to be exempt. I'm cheering this on because they are constraining the future. This is putting pressure on society to adapt

by gryf 4y ago

No I certainly do not expect any car to be exempt. I'm cheering this on because they are constraining the future. This is putting pressure on society to adapt slowly and not pushing it out until we fall off a cliff (war). Electric cars are merely another crutch to carry on our bad behaviour as a species. Especially luxury ones. We need to start reshaping society around less transport. The fossil fuel glut and geopolitical situation around where we get it from is already causing us serious problems and this will only get worse. We need to drive efficiency and renewable energy and energy self sufficiency first.

verisimi 4y ago
For me, you are voicing principles that have been engineered in you. No one can choose constraint, etc. You say there are serious problems, but you have precisely zero personal evidence, like everyone else. You only have the (self-serving) stories that the authorities tell you. Oh, and, they will be doing the constraining. And you will pay. Its a good gig, if you can get it, I guess...
- Swenrekcah 4y ago
  > You say there are serious problems, but you have precisely zero personal evidence, like everyone else. You state this as fact, without even checking with them what the problems are or how they know they’re there. Perhaps check if you are yourself consuming distorted information from self-serving outlets?
  - verisimi 4y ago
    Have you got personal evidence of the serious problems?
    - Swenrekcah 4y ago
      I can’t speak to what the other person was thinking. But in relation to geopolitical problems of the dependence on fossil fuels it’s perhaps most obvious to point to Putin’s war in Ukraine and how he calculated he’d get away with it because of Europe’s dependence on Russian oil and gas. That’s without even starting to calculate the cost of climate change.
neverminder 4y ago
What future is that? Future with no right to own or repair your hardware, where you own nothing and are completely dependent on the system to survive? The system that is just aching to introduce shit like social score and whatever comes after that? The solution to all the problems is easy, but nobody is brave enough to admit it: we need to reduce the number of people on this planet. Especially in severely overcrowded countries with unsustainable population projections.

by gryf 4y ago

verisimi 4y ago

For me, you are voicing principles that have been engineered in you. No one can choose constraint, etc. You say there are serious problems, but you have precisely zero personal evidence, like everyone else. You only have the (self-serving) stories that the authorities tell you. Oh, and, they will be doing the constraining. And you will pay. Its a good gig, if you can get it, I guess...

Swenrekcah 4y ago
> You say there are serious problems, but you have precisely zero personal evidence, like everyone else. You state this as fact, without even checking with them what the problems are or how they know they’re there. Perhaps check if you are yourself consuming distorted information from self-serving outlets?
- verisimi 4y ago
  Have you got personal evidence of the serious problems?
  - Swenrekcah 4y ago
    I can’t speak to what the other person was thinking. But in relation to geopolitical problems of the dependence on fossil fuels it’s perhaps most obvious to point to Putin’s war in Ukraine and how he calculated he’d get away with it because of Europe’s dependence on Russian oil and gas. That’s without even starting to calculate the cost of climate change.

neverminder 4y ago

What future is that? Future with no right to own or repair your hardware, where you own nothing and are completely dependent on the system to survive? The system that is just aching to introduce shit like social score and whatever comes after that? The solution to all the problems is easy, but nobody is brave enough to admit it: we need to reduce the number of people on this planet. Especially in severely overcrowded countries with unsustainable population projections.